check up on a few hands in a $3 mtt

reibs

Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 4,000/8,000 Blinds, 1,000 Ante, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): 655,240
UTG: 197,767
UTG+1: 202,759
MP1: 210,314
MP2: 80,844
CO: 106,466
BTN: 341,833
SB: 241,777

Pre-Flop: (20,000) 2

dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, MP1 calls 8,000, 3 folds, SB calls 4,000, Hero checks

Flop: (32,000) J

(3 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets 12,800, MP1 raises to 32,000, SB folds, Hero raises to 646,240 and is All-In:confused:

Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 6,000/12,000 Blinds, 1,500 Ante, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): 164,373
CO: 293,784
BTN: 211,396
SB: 454,556
BB: 912,891

Pre-Flop: (25,500) J

dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 162,873 and is All-In, (snapshove, right?)

Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 7,000/14,000 Blinds, 1,750 Ante, 5 Players

Hero (UTG): 384,825
CO: 256,067
BTN: 175,184
SB: 318,533
BB: 902,391

Pre-Flop: (29,750) 3

dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 28,000, 3 folds, BB calls 14,000

Flop: (71,750) 7

(2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets 28,700, BB raises to 70,000, Hero folds:confused:

should I check back here and hope to showdown cheap?

Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10,000/20,000 Blinds, 2,500 Ante, 3 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): 1,198,736
BB: 629,566
BTN: 208,698

Pre-Flop: (37,500) 2

dealt to Hero (SB)
BTN folds, Hero raises to 40,000, BB calls 20,000

Flop: (87,500) 2

(2 Players)
Hero bets 43,750, BB calls 43,750

Turn: (175,000) 7

(2 Players)
Hero bets 80,000, BB calls 80,000

River: (335,000) K

(2 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets 100,000, Hero calls 100,000

i was check calling any non flush rivers. ok?

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reibs;286694 wrotePoker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 4,000/8,000 Blinds, 1,000 Ante, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): 655,240
UTG: 197,767
UTG+1: 202,759
MP1: 210,314
MP2: 80,844
CO: 106,466
BTN: 341,833
SB: 241,777

Pre-Flop: (20,000) 2 6 dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, MP1 calls 8,000, 3 folds, SB calls 4,000, Hero checks

Flop: (32,000) J A K (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets 12,800, MP1 raises to 32,000, SB folds, Hero raises to 646,240 and is All-In:confused:

no i don't like this and its kinda like the hand from the tlb i posted.....i think its a mistake but maybe not too big....villain has alot of better flush draw in his range among sets with redraws...sometimes i will check call and try and get a price to call sometimes i will just check fold knowing im always behind...

but i dunno its only 10bbs in a multi way pot with antes so it can't be that bad if it is.....

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reibs;286694 wrote
Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 6,000/12,000 Blinds, 1,500 Ante, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): 164,373
CO: 293,784
BTN: 211,396
SB: 454,556
BB: 912,891

Pre-Flop: (25,500) J Q dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 162,873 and is All-In, (snapshove, right?)

imo

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reibs;286694 wrote
Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 7,000/14,000 Blinds, 1,750 Ante, 5 Players

Hero (UTG): 384,825
CO: 256,067
BTN: 175,184
SB: 318,533
BB: 902,391

Pre-Flop: (29,750) 3 3 dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 28,000, 3 folds, BB calls 14,000

Flop: (71,750) 7 4 6 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets 28,700, BB raises to 70,000, Hero folds:confused:

should I check back here and hope to showdown cheap?

you mean check the flop? i don't think so you did your job he has a better hand now so we are good...

however on a board like this..he may c/r/f alot ...???

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reibs;286694 wrote
Poker Stars, $3 + $0.30 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10,000/20,000 Blinds, 2,500 Ante, 3 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): 1,198,736
BB: 629,566
BTN: 208,698

Pre-Flop: (37,500) 2 7 dealt to Hero (SB)
BTN folds, Hero raises to 40,000, BB calls 20,000

Flop: (87,500) 2 4 4 (2 Players)
Hero bets 43,750, BB calls 43,750

Turn: (175,000) 7 (2 Players)
Hero bets 80,000, BB calls 80,000

River: (335,000) K (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB bets 100,000, Hero calls 100,000

i was check calling any non flush rivers. ok?

how are you in a spot where opening atc is profitable??? :p

i think you played fine but pro not opening it oop unless i have a giant reason...

reibs

darbday;286696 wroteno i don't like this and its kinda like the hand from the tlb i posted.....i think its a mistake but maybe not too big....villain has alot of better flush draw in his range among sets with redraws...sometimes i will check call and try and get a price to call sometimes i will just check fold knowing im always behind...

but i dunno its only 10bbs in a multi way pot with antes so it can't be that bad if it is.....

Ya, looking back at this one I didn't like it either. Guess in game I felt that his limping pre range shouldn't really be all that strongly connected with this board. Which turned out to be a bad assumption. He ended up limping AA in this one :mad: - not that the results really matter, cus like you said I think his range for limping pre, followed by checkraising this flop is actually quite strong. This guy (if I recall correctly) wasnt getting too out of line, but like this is the final table so I think he is prob capable of bluffing this sometimes?...

reibs

darbday;286698 wroteyou mean check the flop? i don't think so you did your job he has a better hand now so we are good...

however on a board like this..he may c/r/f alot ...???

Yah wasnt sure here. Felt kinda bad to bet fold this, when I feel I have some showdown

reibs

darbday;286701 wrotehow are you in a spot where opening atc is profitable??? :p

i think you played fine but pro not opening it oop unless i have a giant reason...

Ahhhh, yes the old 'give em a walk' 3 handed. Not fond of it unless I have a bb who has shown he will play back at me. This was from a month ago, and I dont have my hud stats avail right now, but my guess is that I had history w him in these spots throughout the tourny and he showed he was folding a lot to my steals from sb. If he lets me do it a few times in a row, I just start doin it ~atc until he adjusts. Which is usually not happening in <$5 mtts. Maybe not a good idea, but I seem to recall a wise man on this forum once said he has not given a walk since 2005? Ever since then I have been doin this :-\

I think the fact that its 3 handed, I have a big chiplead, and the shorty folded already, deters the bb from playing this hand even more. So if he doesn't fold I can pretty comfortably get away without much harm done unless I smash the flop.

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reibs;286723 wrote but like this is the final table so I think he is prob capable of bluffing this sometimes?...

yup but you are bluff here....

still tho ask others they may play em all different..

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reibs;286724 wroteYah wasnt sure here. Felt kinda bad to bet fold this, when I feel I have some showdown

i still wonder if you're referring to calling his raise and then seeing a showdown...his check raise range is stronger than your 33....you have showdown value...but we use that for different reason than what your thinking here I believe.....

In other words 33 has showdown value vs. alot of situations but here I think we are looking at...

Hand 0: 38.506% { 3d3s }
Hand 1: 61.494% { 44+, AQs+, A8s-A4s, KQs, 98s, 87s, 76s, 64s+,
54s, AKo, A8o-A4o, KQo }

i dunno something like that....typically that is...he is ahead and you are drawing to a three or a 5.....

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reibs;286725 wroteAhhhh, yes the old 'give em a walk' 3 handed. Not fond of it unless I have a bb who has shown he will play back at me. This was from a month ago, and I dont have my hud stats avail right now, but my guess is that I had history w him in these spots throughout the tourny and he showed he was folding a lot to my steals from sb. If he lets me do it a few times in a row, I just start doin it ~atc until he adjusts. Which is usually not happening in <$5 mtts. Maybe not a good idea, but I seem to recall a wise man on this forum once said he has not given a walk since 2005? Ever since then I have been doin this :-\

I think the fact that its 3 handed, I have a big chiplead, and the shorty folded already, deters the bb from playing this hand even more. So if he doesn't fold I can pretty comfortably get away without much harm done unless I smash the flop.

its all true....but I usually toss 72o out of principle ( thats a total lie tho)....but you have to be sure hes not calling you ip alot...

i wouldn't be opening atc vs alot of players because they mistakenly flat a lot....so if im going to say I never give walks...i ll raise something like....

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and ya it could be wider but that range will get you in a lot less trouble....if you filter your stats by position you'll find you lose the most money out of the small blind....not you...but everyone.... ( and you :P)

also of course not raising atc and folding sometimes will help keep our villains range tight which might be important but i'm not saying it is....but theres def a balance to be had....

reibs

darbday;286744 wrotei still wonder if you're referring to calling his raise and then seeing a showdown...his check raise range is stronger than your 33....you have showdown value...but we use that for different reason than what your thinking here I believe.....

In other words 33 has showdown value vs. alot of situations but here I think we are looking at...

Hand 0: 38.506% { 3d3s }
Hand 1: 61.494% { 44+, AQs+, A8s-A4s, KQs, 98s, 87s, 76s, 64s+,
54s, AKo, A8o-A4o, KQo }

i dunno something like that....typically that is...he is ahead and you are drawing to a three or a 5.....

No I was referring to checking back the flop rather than cbet. Which would keep a lot of his Ax hands in that I have beat. But im guessing its more profitable to just cbet/fold than check back flop and have to guess when he leads the turn?

reibs

darbday;286746 wrotealso of course not raising atc and folding sometimes will help keep our villains range tight which might be important but i'm not saying it is....but theres def a balance to be had....

Yeah I think I just felt like three handed with these stack sizes, this wasnt as important as if it were earlier on with a full table? But that could be totally wrong way to look at it.

I feel ya on the balancing though.... Usually I would muck this without any reads, and would open somewhat similar to your above range. But I think this guy was folding like everytime I opened from sb up to this point.

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reibs;286759 wroteNo I was referring to checking back the flop rather than cbet. Which would keep a lot of his Ax hands in that I have beat. But im guessing its more profitable to just cbet/fold than check back flop and have to guess when he leads the turn?

yes and its technically a mistake to give him infinity odds to draw with hands like overcards and the like ....