more funish....

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hero with about 25 bbs ep/mp antes in play now......

hero 2.2x's 36s same villain (well covers me) in other hand min raises from mp/lp....im used to folding oop but can i flat this ?

not much info im giving but its more of a generally question....

The Highflyer

With 25bbs I would be tighter and not raise these types of hands from mp, only lp, exactly because of these situations.
In regards to the question, if you flat you will be left w/ 20bb's and oop. For the most part needing to hit the flop as villain (well covers you) will c bet putting you into a position of push/fold as you won't be able to chase w/ your stack.

So really I would ask myself what range would he do this with pre and knowing that is it worth getting involved knowing how hard you need to hit the flop for it to be profitable?

Scotty12

I like to fold twice in this hand. You're really handcuffed by your stacksize, #s of players behind and the craptasticness of 36s which makes me like an openmuck. Once you've opened + been 3bet you win the pot such a tiny % of the time oop that you are far better off folding instead of throwing more good $ in after bad

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did i mention im sooooted tho???

Richard~

with 25 BBs I can't really fault any open from this kind of position unless someone is going to exploit it

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Richard~;284913 wrotewith 25 BBs I can't really fault any open from this kind of position unless someone is going to exploit it

what if were pretty confident that no one will exploit it.....and the we have the type of image of a begginer nit....

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Richard~;284913 wrotewith 25 BBs I can't really fault any open from this kind of position unless someone is going to exploit it

sorry just to reiterate to all the question is...can we flat pre ever? ^-^

Richard~

sure you can, the rest is up to you though

Scotty12

darbday;284924 wrotesorry just to reiterate to all the question is...can we flat pre ever? ^-^

If we want to put more $ in the pot to check / lose a ton of boards then sure! Why not?

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Why do u want to play oop tho

Richard~

Scotty12;284975 wroteIf we want to put more $ in the pot to check / lose a ton of boards then sure! Why not?

Indeed we do imo, I'm not folding for 1,2 BB's

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Scotty12;284975 wroteIf we want to put more $ in the pot to check / lose a ton of boards then sure! Why not?

i want to stop here and say i agree and respect your posts...don't ever stop...ima rail you and others on this situation and topic tho.

Richard~

his minraise smells like a fairly strong AJish hand who wants to iso your in his eyes supoer small open. Not matter how you want to play it out postflop your stack is 20x your investment which is good enough implied odds for most situations

ryanghall

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

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ryanghall;285418 wroteWhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

because i play micro 180's and its a profitable open....i had a really tight image. knowing a lot of players are tightening up at this point i felt like it was a good spot....i can easily fold to any 3bet but ive never been min raised back....

ryanghall

darbday;285430 wrotebecause i play micro 180's

This would be fantastic info to put in the topic! Why does nobody post buyins here?

Still not sold that you're profitable opening it, btw, but w/e. Fold.

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ryanghall;285499 wroteThis would be fantastic info to put in the topic! Why does nobody post buyins here?

Still not sold that you're profitable opening it, btw, but w/e. Fold.

no this is a live tourney with a 1k buy in...but the players play like the micros just way tighter....im not sold either....but ya...fol.d....

ILike2Play

FOLD, you could just get into a really ugly spot

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ILike2Play;285894 wroteFOLD, you could just get into a really ugly spot

I am ugly spot

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ryanghall;285499 wrote Still not sold that you're profitable opening it, btw, but w/e. Fold.

Do these help my case tho......

Poker Stars, $2.28 + $0.22 NL Hold'em Tournament, 800/1,600 Blinds, 150 Ante, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: 23,513
BB: 26,206
UTG: 12,420
JodaB. (MP): 26,040
CO: 19,149
BTN: 40,600

Pre-Flop: (3,300) 4

dealt to JodaB. (MP)
UTG folds, JodaB. raises to 3,200, 2 folds, SB calls 2,400, BB folds

Flop: (8,900) 2

(2 Players)
SB bets 1,600, JodaB. calls 1,600

Turn: (12,100) K

(2 Players)
SB bets 1,600, JodaB. raises to 4,800, SB calls 3,200

River: (21,700) Q

(2 Players)
SB checks, JodaB. bets 16,290 and is All-In, SB folds

Results: 21,700 Pot
JodaB. showed 4 7 and WON 21,700 (+12,100 NET)

Poker Stars, $2.28 + $0.22 NL Hold'em Tournament, 300/600 Blinds, 50 Ante, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: 7,740
SB: 2,250
BB: 1,374
UTG: 4,909
UTG+1: 11,418
MP1: 7,400
MP2: 9,467
JodaB. (CO): 15,977

Pre-Flop: (1,300) 7

dealt to JodaB. (CO)
4 folds, JodaB. raises to 1,200, 2 folds, BB raises to 1,324 and is All-In, JodaB. calls 124

Flop: (3,348) 9

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (3,348) 6

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (3,348) 4

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 3,348 Pot
BB showed J 7 and WON 3,348 (+2,624 NET)
JodaB. showed 7 2 and LOST (-1,324 NET)

Poker Stars, $7.34 + $0.66 NL Hold'em Tournament, 400/800 Blinds, 75 Ante, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

SB: 7,784
BB: 5,469
UTG: 14,714
JodaB. (MP): 17,770
CO: 13,837
BTN: 6,664

Pre-Flop: (1,650) 2

dealt to JodaB. (MP)
UTG folds, JodaB. raises to 1,600, 3 folds, BB calls 800

Flop: (4,050) 5

(2 Players)
BB checks, JodaB. bets 16,095 and is All-In, BB folds

Results: 4,050 Pot
JodaB. showed 2 8 and WON 4,050 (+2,450 NET)

PokerStars Game #70925218652: Tournament #472556091, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1500/3000) - 2011/11/21 14:28:39 PT [2011/11/21 17:28:39 ET]
Table '472556091 18' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: the1uk2010 (28942 in chips)
Seat 2: MrC Hungary (9756 in chips)
Seat 3: MondiRay (24171 in chips)
Seat 4: skattetøz (40941 in chips)
Seat 5: ntenis1964 (41234 in chips)
Seat 6: Lemur86 (18771 in chips)
Seat 7: kasinhas (28463 in chips)
Seat 8: Gilal65 (31568 in chips)
Seat 9: forboon (46154 in chips)
the1uk2010: posts the ante 300
MrC Hungary: posts the ante 300
MondiRay: posts the ante 300
skattetøz: posts the ante 300
ntenis1964: posts the ante 300
Lemur86: posts the ante 300
kasinhas: posts the ante 300
Gilal65: posts the ante 300
forboon: posts the ante 300
the1uk2010: posts small blind 1500
MrC Hungary: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [7c 6d]
MondiRay: folds
skattetøz: folds
ntenis1964: folds
Lemur86: folds
kasinhas: folds
Gilal65: folds
forboon: raises 3000 to 6000
the1uk2010: folds
MrC Hungary: folds
Uncalled bet (3000) returned to forboon
forboon collected 10200 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10200 | Rake 0
Seat 1: the1uk2010 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: MrC Hungary (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: MondiRay folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: skattetøz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ntenis1964 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Lemur86 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: kasinhas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Gilal65 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: forboon (button) collected (10200)

PokerStars Game #70910313841: Tournament #472429326, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2011/11/21 10:30:55 PT [2011/11/21 13:30:55 ET]
Table '472429326 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: klimentijus (29746 in chips)
Seat 3: forboon (56547 in chips)
Seat 5: olecool (4505 in chips)
Seat 6: ZanOl (30881 in chips)
Seat 9: Ðevid (16590 in chips)
klimentijus: posts the ante 200
forboon: posts the ante 200
olecool: posts the ante 200
ZanOl: posts the ante 200
Ðevid: posts the ante 200
ZanOl: posts small blind 1000
Ðevid: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [2s Qh]
klimentijus: folds
forboon: calls 2000
olecool: raises 2305 to 4305 and is all-in
ZanOl: folds
Ðevid: calls 2305
forboon: raises 52042 to 56347 and is all-in
Ðevid: folds
Uncalled bet (52042) returned to forboon
*** FLOP *** [8d Th 7d]
*** TURN *** [8d Th 7d] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [8d Th 7d 2h] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
forboon: shows [2s Qh] (a pair of Deuces)
olecool: shows [Kh Qc] (high card King)
forboon collected 14915 from pot
olecool finished the tournament in 11th place and received $4.92.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 14915 | Rake 0
Board [8d Th 7d 2h Jc]
Seat 2: klimentijus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: forboon showed [2s Qh] and won (14915) with a pair of Deuces
Seat 5: olecool (button) showed [Kh Qc] and lost with high card King
Seat 6: ZanOl (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Ðevid (big blind) folded before Flop

Poker Stars, $7.34 + $0.66 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG+1: 1,500
JodaB. (UTG+2): 3,010
MP1: 1,410
MP2: 1,620
CO: 10
BTN: 1,470
SB: 1,814
BB: 1,500
UTG: 1,166

Pre-Flop: (30) 6

dealt to JodaB. (UTG+2)
2 folds, JodaB. raises to 45, 2 folds, CO calls 10 and is All-In, 3 folds

Flop: (60) 7

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (60) K

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (60) 6

(2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 60 Pot
JodaB. showed 6 J and WON 60 (+40 NET)
CO showed 3 4 and LOST (-10 NET)