darbday;284723 wroteHi!!!!
pre we need to decide if we are to 3bet or flat.....
If we 3bet and he 4bet shoves and we fold we have spent our life wasn't mid pairs by turning them into a bluff
If we 3bet/call for value we need him to be getting in worse hands and a worse range in general but its completely plausible and fine i think at this level....
But i do prefer to set mine....which, especially 3 way will almost always be to check fold any flop without a ten... alot of times I will fold an overpair like that....... for ex. 99 on 358....check calling oop is not a good idea is why....i would rather be the better with a cran juice bottle and empty peanuts instead of cards ;p
as for donking after flatting pre.....we are beging to play backwards.....when we bet and he calls we value owned ourself often vs a better hand......if we bet and he folds we gained zero value....we wasted a good hand....
if donking works like that then we want to do it with more bluff type hands rather than made hands with equity.....
as for raising early to define your hand and for info....if he shoves or 4 bets.....what do we know now? we put ourselves into a terrible hard spot ......
SET MINE MINE MINE
later on when you don't have to ask this question any more start slow playing back here and there....
thinking its likely btp and others will tell you just to get it in pre....
I like your analysis preflop, but to my way of thinking what you're suggesting is too tight post, particularly if you flop an overpair. With the stacks you're up against why would you be against getting it in here? You're not only getting it in in jail. People play hands with nines or eights in them. People also go crazy with mid pocket pairs or even AK type hands on boards like 953 because they think you don't have any of it. For sure the guy doesn't have an overpair enough to check-fold. Sure, sometimes they're going to have the overpair, but, if you're fine getting it in pre, why would you be against getting in post with an overpair?
As for post with an overcard, that is tough OOP. I don't hate the donk bet because sometimes they'll call you light, but it is tough to play later streets. I think I would call at least one small to mid-size bet and then see what happens, but this is where you have to play poker and figure out what your opponent's bet means. Not easy, but I think check-folding one bet is a little on the tight side.