line vs reg...

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villain is big pimpin 777 if that matters...worried hell put me one ak and snap any mid pp...

Poker Stars, $50 + $5 NL Hold'em Tournament, 1,400/2,800 Blinds, 350 Ante, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP2: 216,916
CO: 16,684
BTN: 81,653
SB: 123,433
BB: 37,629
JodaB. (UTG): 79,641
UTG+1: 77,490
UTG+2: 255,322
MP1: 55,218

Pre-Flop: (7,350) Q

dealt to JodaB. (UTG)
JodaB. raises to 6,300, 3 folds, MP2 calls 6,300, 4 folds

Flop: (19,950) 3

(2 Players)
JodaB. checks, MP2 bets 12,550, JodaB???

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villain runnin 25/23 tho

Scotty12

With that stack it seems like a sigh and checkfold without a spade. Crappy board thats tough to play oop vs a reg with a bigstack. I cant see him folding to 1 bet very much, feels like a good spot to preserve your stack for fold equity on future steals / rejams

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I'm not gonna touch this hand, this guy holds over me every time I run into him lol

A cbet seems to be in order I suppose bt now I'm pretty lost and probably ned up folding, if we were deeper I'd like a checkraise if you check since his hand is pretty face up at that point as 66 through JJ but good tournament players are pretty used to dealing with shorter stacks spazzing and getting stubborn and a shove would look a lot like that

Edit; there's obviously a chance he's putting pressure on you by taking a stab here but given positions I have to assume he likes his hand preflop which limits the amount of airstabbing that can be done

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yup check folding has to be uber wrong but it was pretty much the best plan i could come up with ;p

Scotty12

darbday;277115 wroteyup check folding has to be uber wrong but it was pretty much the best plan i could come up with ;p

I think this may be true vs a lot of $55 freezeout opponents, but not vs this particular reg. You gave us his vpip/pfr, but I think his Fold to flop cbet % in position is equally if not more important, and I bet its far lower than you think. When he calls you otf, I assume you'll lose this pot w/o pairing up almost every time.
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Scotty12;277173 wroteI think this may be true vs a lot of $55 freezeout opponents, but not vs this particular reg. You gave us his vpip/pfr, but I think his Fold to flop cbet % in position is equally if not more important, and I bet its far lower than you think. When he calls you otf, I assume you'll lose this pot w/o pairing up almost every time.

his fold to cbet % is important, but not really for the decision of whether or not to cbet this flop with out 7-10% opening range but rather for how often we want to assume he's floating us on this uneventful board and checkshove or double barrel turn. In the extreme that he's playing like 70/50 and his fold to cbet is 5% for example there's no way my stack is not going in postflop and a low fold to cbet will not discourage me from cbetting, especially low boards

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Scotty12;277173 wroteI think this may be true vs a lot of $55 freezeout opponents, but not vs this particular reg. You gave us his vpip/pfr, but I think his Fold to flop cbet % in position is equally if not more important, and I bet its far lower than you think. When he calls you otf, I assume you'll lose this pot w/o pairing up almost every time.
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ya and there is not a hand in his range i think he folds here to a cbet.....i have to rep qq+ in this hand to take this pot and i have to do it with aqo....ace high.....and i don't think he flatted pre just to fold to a turn barrel....

the problem here is im outa position vs the best and the other problem is be flatting he virtually wins the hand...

oh....and not enough hands for a fold to cbet stat and certainly not one for position....

Richard~

darbday;277197 wroteya and there is not a hand in his range i think he folds here to a cbet.....i have to rep qq+ in this hand to take this pot and i have to do it with aqo....ace high.....and i don't think he flatted pre just to fold to a turn barrel....

the problem here is im outa position vs the best and the other problem is be flatting he virtually wins the hand...

oh....and not enough hands for a fold to cbet stat and certainly not one for position....

lol you're being ridiculous now, if he never folds to a cbet here he's pretty terrible. you're just generally afraid of cbetting light

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Richard~;277200 wrotelol you're being ridiculous now, if he never folds to a cbet here he's pretty terrible. you're just generally afraid of cbetting light

possibly....but the way i see it...is its a pretty bad open with aqo if im just gonna check fold a flop like this....and its just as bad for him to flat if hes gonna do the same.....

like his range is AX's broadway suited, pairs, and sc........it might be smaller prob not really wider...and hes floating or raising the entire range....

you think its crazy to say that hes not ever folding to a cbet.....?

and ya ive got caught not cbetting my 3bet pots in standard spots......so its likely that i miss spots like this too...but if he wasn't a top player id prob play this to the river at least....

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darbday;277203 wrotepossibly....but the way i see it...is its a pretty bad open with aqo if im just gonna check fold a flop like this....and its just as bad for him to flat if hes gonna do the same.....

like his range is AX's broadway suited, pairs, and sc........it might be smaller prob not really wider...and hes floating or raising the entire range....

you think its crazy to say that hes not ever folding to a cbet.....?

and ya ive got caught not cbetting my 3bet pots in standard spots......so its likely that i miss spots like this too...but if he wasn't a top player id prob play this to the river at least....

yeah i think that's a crazy assuption, if your right however you need to cbet and plan to get your stack in on the flop or the turn with your entire range. If I'm playing tight from ep and get into this spot on that board and he ever raises that flop my stack in going in his eye, there's like 3 hands that makes sense for villain to raise here, one is A3, one is 99 and one is AA so I'm not worried whatsoever about getting my cbet raised

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Richard~;277204 wroteyeah i think that's a crazy assuption, if your right however you need to cbet and plan to get your stack in on the flop or the turn with your entire range. If I'm playing tight from ep and get into this spot on that board and he ever raises that flop my stack in going in his eye, there's like 3 hands that makes sense for villain to raise here, one is A3, one is 99 and one is AA so I'm not worried whatsoever about getting my cbet raised

learnin

but we must admit that we can't outplay our oppenent after getting flatted and were oop and didn't hit the flop.....

Richard~

darbday;277208 wrotelearnin

but we must admit that we can't outplay our oppenent after getting flatted and were oop and didn't hit the flop.....

is that a challenge?

Hellmuth's Mole

darbday;277208 wrotelearnin

but we must admit that we can't outplay our oppenent after getting flatted and were oop and didn't hit the flop.....

Checking that flop is just signal your tail is going between your legs. Lead out for control if nothing else.

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Hellmuth's Mole;277211 wroteChecking that flop is just signal your tail is going between your legs. Lead out for control if nothing else.

i want to be clear that this ^^^ is the point of the question or thread.....as soon as i saw the flop i basically folded out of turn....

and i can still raise aqo because he doesn't flat often..

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Richard~;277210 wroteis that a challenge?

naw....but for me..in this hand....its clear that i don't gain vs this oppenent...and certainly not oop...

Hellmuth's Mole

darbday;277212 wrotei want to be clear that this ^^^ is the point of the question or thread.....as soon as i saw the flop i basically folded out of turn....

and i can still raise aqo because he doesn't flat often..

But do you really think he flats with a monster??

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darbday;277213 wrotenaw....but for me..in this hand....its clear that i don't gain vs this oppenent...and certainly not oop...

Then ask yourself why that is. he's not a god, you figure out what he's thinking, what he's trying to accomplish and you adjust to it. In this spot for example, why is it that you feel like you can't gain chips vs his calling range?

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Richard~;277219 wroteThen ask yourself why that is. he's not a god, you figure out what he's thinking, what he's trying to accomplish and you adjust to it. In this spot for example, why is it that you feel like you can't gain chips vs his calling range?

i might be thinkin backwards but were not looking for chips....we want ...edge? ???

we gotta make this guy make a mistake....in order to truly gain....and thats just not likely i would think.....

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Hellmuth's Mole;277214 wroteBut do you really think he flats with a monster??

for sure he does but just not often....maybe hardly ever .....however how sick would it look if i lost 75% or more of my stack and tabled aqo vs ako or 55....

i would be ignore the stone cold stats facts if i thought i could gain against this guy oop like this...but maybe not...

i never considered kqs....???