Another Bubble Hand

actyper

Hand for Hand, $109 turbo. Be greedy or fold?

PokerStars Game #64318999823: Tournament #428011005, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (350/700) - 2011/07/08 21:54:02 ET
Table '428011005 15' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: latte 11 (6625 in chips)
Seat 2: actyper (8295 in chips)
Seat 3: chaosul (10704 in chips)
Seat 4: doct manopla (4308 in chips)
Seat 5: brett_threat (11479 in chips)
Seat 7: Birips (47291 in chips)
Seat 8: skufff (12511 in chips)
Seat 9: llindeberg_ (6385 in chips)
latte 11: posts the ante 85
actyper: posts the ante 85
chaosul: posts the ante 85
doct manopla: posts the ante 85
brett_threat: posts the ante 85
Birips: posts the ante 85
skufff: posts the ante 85
llindeberg_: posts the ante 85
actyper: posts small blind 350
chaosul: posts big blind 700
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to actyper [7h Jd]
doct manopla: folds
brett_threat: folds
Birips: folds
skufff: folds
llindeberg_: folds
latte 11: folds
actyper:

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snap

actyper

crackle and pop?

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actyper;273190 wrotecrackle and pop?

you have aces....and it is NOT the bubble....

DennisG

Jamarama for me. 1700 in the pot...over 20% of our stack..

but I am a known spewtard. ;)

Richard~

How many players left? I don't hate a fold with like 8+ tables left, I think it's optimal if villain is calling a decent range

actyper

37 players left, 36 get paid. I'm prob in 27-30th place.

Richard~

DennisG;273198 wroteJamarama for me. 1700 in the pot...over 20% of our stack..

but I am a known spewtard. ;)

you might want to redo that math ^^'

Richard~

actyper;273211 wrote37 players left, 36 get paid. I'm prob in 27-30th place.

I probably still fold, the value of the chips you gain here needs to be greater than the value of your almost guaranteed itm finish, I havn't done the math but I don't really see that happening. BvB shoves are marginal enough as it is

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Richard~;273214 wroteI probably still fold, the value of the chips you gain here needs to be greater than the value of your almost guaranteed itm finish, I havn't done the math but I don't really see that happening. BvB shoves are marginal enough as it is

i was thinking bigger field as far as the bubble situation but i still think i push and don't do that math....man i gotta start doing the math.

Vekked

Richard~;273214 wroteBvB shoves are marginal enough as it is

?

I think I fold on the direct bubble. I feel like ICM would dictate that given how close this is, but I'm no ICM wiz.

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Vekked;273284 wrote?

I think I fold on the direct bubble. I feel like ICM would dictate that given how close this is, but I'm no ICM wiz.

do you fold if there bubbles is like 200 people left?

Vekked

darbday;273285 wrotedo you fold if there bubbles is like 200 people left?

hmm, good Q, probably not

actyper

What if u were bb what do u think u call with?

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Vekked;273291 wrotehmm, good Q, probably not

do you fold if your 12 tabling? do you know when the money bubble is? :confused:

Richard~

I mean't that bluffing BvB is marginal with this stack. If BB is bad he'll call like 20-25% so our net worth will be like

(7x85+8295+700) x 0,75 +
(2x8295+6x85) x 0,25 x 0,35 =
8752

so we gain like 3/4 BB, normally a big edge but on the bubble it's meh, ICM diaster

Vekked

darbday;273305 wrotedo you fold if your 12 tabling? do you know when the money bubble is? :confused:

I haven't folded my SB with <20BB since the 80s. I'm 24.

Richard~

lol, did a bunch more math, bluffing bvb isn't marginal, we're talking way bigger edges than i ever imagined if I'm doing this right

apparently shoving 27o is quite profitable vs a 25% calling range with this stack

compuease

Vekked;273351 wroteI haven't folded my SB with <20BB since the 80s. I'm 24.

You don't fold 19BB, in the SB with a raise, re-raise in front of you when your sitting with 8,3 off?? I bow to thee sir.. :)

Vekked

Richard~;273357 wrotelol, did a bunch more math, bluffing bvb isn't marginal, we're talking way bigger edges than i ever imagined if I'm doing this right

apparently shoving 27o is quite profitable vs a 25% calling range with this stack

you're probably doing it right :)