A few PLO Hands

Jugulatus

All in on the very first hand. Any Comments?

PokerStars Game #64226191014: Tournament #411730780, $1.35+$0.15 USD Omaha Pot Limit - Level I (15/30) - 2011/07/06 15:28:55 ET
Table '411730780 1' 10-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Evarella0707 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: 74 Gnome (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: avtobar (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: Julian M700 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: Jugulatus (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: bakkenist (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: ilya der777 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Kayman326 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Lbj all in (1500 in chips)
Seat 10: MABRO2121 (1500 in chips)
74 Gnome: posts small blind 15
avtobar: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Jugulatus [Th Tc Kh Ac]
Julian M700: calls 30
Jugulatus: raises 105 to 135
bakkenist: folds
ilya der777: raises 345 to 480
Kayman326: folds
Lbj all in: folds
MABRO2121: folds
Evarella0707: folds
74 Gnome: folds
avtobar: folds
Julian M700: folds
Julian M700 is sitting out
Jugulatus: raises 1020 to 1500 and is all-in
ilya der777: calls 1020 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [5s Qd Qc]
*** TURN *** [5s Qd Qc] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [5s Qd Qc 7s] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jugulatus: shows [Th Tc Kh Ac] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
ilya der777: shows [9s 9h 3d Qh] (three of a kind, Queens)
ilya der777 collected 3075 from pot
Jugulatus finished the tournament in 10th place

JohnnieH

Jugulatus;272835 wrote$1.35+$0.15

This is all the explanation you need.

Jugulatus

JohnnieH;272836 wroteThis is all the explanation you need.

Thanks! Glad to see the old hands sharing their experience with the the newer members on this board. Much appreciated.

DrTyore

Not sure I like this hand AIPF...

Would you go all in with TT in a normal SNG first hand? What about Ak if you were 50% sure that your opponent had KK?

Mark

Jugulatus

But what I'm really interested in is if my starting hand was just too weak to go all in on. I know I was ahead when all our chips were in the pot and I lost, but I'm not sure how much I was ahead. Was my shove a good move to a pot-limit re-raise or should I have called and taken a flop first?

Jugulatus

DrTyore;272838 wroteNot sure I like this hand AIPF...

Would you go all in with TT in a normal SNG first hand? What about Ak if you were 50% sure that your opponent had KK?

Mark

So, you're saying I should have folded or flat-called the PL re-raise?

I can see that, perhaps I over-estimated the value of the double-suited nut and second-nut flush draws?

DrTyore

Jugulatus;272842 wroteSo, you're saying I should have folded or flat-called the PL re-raise?

I can see that, perhaps I over-estimated the value of the double-suited nut and second-nut flush draws?

Well, it depends...

Since this is the first hand, you have no reads, and no information aside from your cards to work on. Pocket tens is your strength in this hand, but with all four cards connecting, and suiting up, that is a very diverse hand.

In this case, yea, some jackass called you with crap and hit. In this case, I'm not sure what I would do in a vacuum. I'd assume that your hand is better than average.

Mark

Steve.693

Most times in PLO you have to assume that you are against aces (or kings/queeens against a loose/ unknowledgable PLO player) when you are facing a big re-raise pre-flop. In early position at the beginning of these tournies I like a limp with this hand and a call to a single raise to get to the flop cheap where you can become a huge favorite. Pre-flop most PLO hands are no more than 60% favorite over an average hand

Richard~

I'm probably folding almost any hand that does not contain aces here when faced with the 3bet. Maybe I can call with some special types of 9876 hands but having the pair here actually hurts our hand in many cases.

Jugulatus

Thanks for the advice. Very helpful as I obviously have a lot to learn.

Steve.693

Here are a couple hands to resurrect my old thread. Critique away and I will then give my reads/reasons tomorrow as I am headed to sleep for a 5am morning.

PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $51.21
MP: $58.80
CO: $9.65
Hero (BTN): $54.34
SB: $8.43
BB: $29.76

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A:heart: J:club: 8:club: 8:heart:

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, fold, fold

Flop: ($2.05, 2 players) J:heart: 3:diamond: 8:diamond:
CO bets $1.96, Hero calls $1.96

Turn: ($5.97, 2 players) Q:heart:
CO bets $5.70, Hero raises to $11.40, CO calls $1.14 and is all-in

River: ($19.65, 2 players) 9:heart:

CO shows A:diamond: 2:club: 2:heart: J:diamond: (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 35%, Flop 32%, Turn 20%)
Hero shows A:heart: J:club: 8:club: 8:heart: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 65%, Flop 68%, Turn 80%)
Hero wins $18.77

This one is easy to explain. Top set on relatively safe board (scared of diamonds but figured even then I am ahead/ even money) Shove and pray.

PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $52.16
BB: $70.70
UTG: $21.91
Hero (MP): $30.01
CO: $25.00
BTN: $25.00

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 5:club: Q:heart: K:heart: K:club:

UTG raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($2.05, 2 players) T:spade: K:diamond: 4:diamond:
UTG bets $1.96, Hero raises to $7.84, UTG raises to $21.06 and is all-in, Hero calls $13.22

Turn: ($44.17, 2 players) 7:heart:

River: ($44.17, 2 players) 6:club:

UTG shows A:heart: T:heart: Q:diamond: J:diamond: (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 48%, Flop 53%, Turn 42%)
Hero shows 5:club: Q:heart: K:heart: K:club: (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 52%, Flop 47%, Turn 57%)
Hero wins $42.18

GTA Poker

Steve.693;315574 wroteHere are a couple hands to resurrect my old thread. Critique away and I will then give my reads/reasons tomorrow as I am headed to sleep for a 5am morning.

PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $51.21
MP: $58.80
CO: $9.65
Hero (BTN): $54.34
SB: $8.43
BB: $29.76

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A:heart: J:club: 8:club: 8:heart:

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, fold, fold

Flop: ($2.05, 2 players) J:heart: 3:diamond: 8:diamond:
CO bets $1.96, Hero calls $1.96

Turn: ($5.97, 2 players) Q:heart:
CO bets $5.70, Hero raises to $11.40, CO calls $1.14 and is all-in

River: ($19.65, 2 players) 9:heart:

CO shows A:diamond: 2:club: 2:heart: J:diamond: (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 35%, Flop 32%, Turn 20%)
Hero shows A:heart: J:club: 8:club: 8:heart: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 65%, Flop 68%, Turn 80%)
Hero wins $18.77

This one is easy to explain. Top set on relatively safe board (scared of diamonds but figured even then I am ahead/ even money) Shove and pray.

PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $52.16
BB: $70.70
UTG: $21.91
Hero (MP): $30.01
CO: $25.00
BTN: $25.00

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 5:club: Q:heart: K:heart: K:club:

UTG raises to $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($2.05, 2 players) T:spade: K:diamond: 4:diamond:
UTG bets $1.96, Hero raises to $7.84, UTG raises to $21.06 and is all-in, Hero calls $13.22

Turn: ($44.17, 2 players) 7:heart:

River: ($44.17, 2 players) 6:club:

UTG shows A:heart: T:heart: Q:diamond: J:diamond: (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 48%, Flop 53%, Turn 42%)
Hero shows 5:club: Q:heart: K:heart: K:club: (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 52%, Flop 47%, Turn 57%)
Hero wins $42.18

if you don't 3 bet double suited kings what exactly is your 3 bet range?

HammerDad

Hand 1 I either just fold pre to the short stack as our hand isn't that great and outside of binking exactly what you got, doesn't play that well post flop. Not to mention there isn't enough equity to play weak aces given villains stack. Unless villain was steaming and overly aggro, I fold. As played raise and get it in on the flop. The turn completed a straight and while we do have equity against a made straight, just get it in on the flop and make life easier.

Hand 2 3bet pre. If I am 4bet, I am likely folding as villain with have less than a PSB and will likely be shipping any flop so calling is bad and villians 4bet range is likely always AA or large run downs so we are either flipping or crushed. We have position with a premium hand, 3bet and use position. As played, get it in obviously. I had nearly the same hand a few years back (kkxx vs big wrap) and PLO100....mine didn't end up as well....

Steve.693

In hand one my choice was because the CO was playing about 80% of hands and betting through whether he hit or not so I figured I could get the stack if I hit. I just called the flop because I figured I would see if the turn brought a diamond and I figured with a set and nut flush draw I had enough equity on the turn to shove.

Hand 2 I sometimes 3 bet and sometimes don't. I normally prefer 3 betting a hand that I can call a 4th bet with such as a big rundown or aces than one that I have to fold. I figure the other benefit here is that flat calling they don't put me on a big pair and that can lead to them making bigger mistakes post flop.

GTA Poker

Steve.693;315710 wroteIn hand one my choice was because the CO was playing about 80% of hands and betting through whether he hit or not so I figured I could get the stack if I hit. I just called the flop because I figured I would see if the turn brought a diamond and I figured with a set and nut flush draw I had enough equity on the turn to shove.

Hand 2 I sometimes 3 bet and sometimes don't. I normally prefer 3 betting a hand that I can call a 4th bet with such as a big rundown or aces than one that I have to fold. I figure the other benefit here is that flat calling they don't put me on a big pair and that can lead to them making bigger mistakes post flop.

You're giving up way too much not 3 betting a high percentage of hands in position

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