Blind vs Blind

djgolfcan

Do we just raise, shove ?

Full Tilt Poker Game #30808898427: $7,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (239021991), Table 84 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:05:18 ET - 2011/05/31
Seat 1: kozikoa (32,945)
Seat 2: SHOVEXX (12,850)
Seat 3: dufferdevon (27,609)
Seat 4: IMurtazin (8,315)
Seat 5: kvietka (9,343)
Seat 7: PikoRr (72,232)
Seat 8: dubpolice22 (45,190)
Seat 9: foley411 (32,133)
kozikoa antes 100
SHOVEXX antes 100
dufferdevon antes 100
IMurtazin antes 100
kvietka antes 100
PikoRr antes 100
dubpolice22 antes 100
foley411 antes 100
dufferdevon posts the small blind of 400
IMurtazin posts the big blind of 800
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dufferdevon [Ad 5d]
kvietka folds
PikoRr folds
dubpolice22 folds
foley411 folds
kozikoa folds
SHOVEXX has 15 seconds left to act
SHOVEXX folds
dufferdevon : ??
IMurtazin:

Wetts1012

shovel.

betrthanphil

easy shoveeeeeeee

djgolfcan

Does this change if the BB has more chips than us ?

Wetts1012

djgolfcan;269286 wroteDoes this change if the BB has more chips than us ?

villain having 10BB much different than villain having 35BB.

betrthanphil

?? its a ship because he has 10BB, if its between 0 and 16 BB i think its a ship.

djgolfcan

Full Tilt Poker Game #30811171256: $12,000 Guarantee (239067938), Table 4 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:06:42 ET - 2011/05/31
Seat 1: LESHY11 (2,900)
Seat 2: doubledecker10 (2,280)
Seat 3: midgaard (3,040)
Seat 4: Flint84 (3,000)
Seat 5: LEPLAISIR (3,080)
Seat 6: JahRastafary (2,920)
Seat 7: transit51 (2,900)
Seat 9: dufferdevon (3,940)
transit51 posts the small blind of 10
dufferdevon posts the big blind of 20
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dufferdevon [7d 7h]
LESHY11 folds
doubledecker10 folds
supertammi sits down
midgaard folds
Flint84 folds
LEPLAISIR folds
JahRastafary folds
transit51 raises to 40
dufferdevon raises to 240
transit51 raises to 2,900, and is all in
dufferdevon : ??

betrthanphil

this early I would just flat that pre, I dont 3 bet very much in the early levels unless Im very strong. just let it go

Wetts1012

djgolfcan;269292 wroteFull Tilt Poker Game #30811171256: $12,000 Guarantee (239067938), Table 4 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:06:42 ET - 2011/05/31
Seat 1: LESHY11 (2,900)
Seat 2: doubledecker10 (2,280)
Seat 3: midgaard (3,040)
Seat 4: Flint84 (3,000)
Seat 5: LEPLAISIR (3,080)
Seat 6: JahRastafary (2,920)
Seat 7: transit51 (2,900)
Seat 9: dufferdevon (3,940)
transit51 posts the small blind of 10
dufferdevon posts the big blind of 20
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dufferdevon [7d 7h]
LESHY11 folds
doubledecker10 folds
supertammi sits down
midgaard folds
Flint84 folds
LEPLAISIR folds
JahRastafary folds
transit51 raises to 40
dufferdevon raises to 240
transit51 raises to 2,900, and is all in
dufferdevon : ??

we obv fold, but Im not 3 betting in the first place.

Vekked

3-betting w/ that hand is button clicky

djgolfcan

Vekked;269302 wrote3-betting w/ that hand is button clicky

Just wanted to establish my "defending the blinds" image early

Wetts1012

djgolfcan;269304 wroteJust wanted to establish my "defending the blinds" image early

Nobody is paying attention.

hiphopopotamus

djgolfcan;269286 wroteDoes this change if the BB has more chips than us ?

Do you mean if the stack sizes were reversed so you have 8300 and he has 27k or whatever? Still a shove as long as effective stacks are the same (~10bb).

In the second hand, pretty much agree with everyone else. Rarely 3-betting and, if I do, I'm making it a much smaller amount than 240. Probably to like 95. You have position. No real need to bloat the pot that big preflop.

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djgolfcan;269304 wroteJust wanted to establish my "defending the blinds" image early

try the opposite...play tight let him think he can steal easy then when the blinds get high you can 3bet him knowing his range is huge because he thought you would fold again.

Now you pick up an amount of blinds (and antes too) at the higher level that is worth more than all the other times you folded before put together. Plus you have position in a 3bet pot if he flats

hes not gonna rejam this time because you already folded six times to steals.

anyways sometimes we fell awkward with mid pocket pairs and i think its just a setmine here . call pre, check fold flop, or hit set.

philliivey

wetts1012;269307 wrotenobody is paying attention.

this! X infinity

sump

In Hand #1 I like raising because it looks more bluffy. Something like 1775 to enduce a shove. It can get him to shove Kx or Qx suited because we make it seem like we are going to be folding a lot here with our small bet.

Vekked

sump;269386 wroteIn Hand #1 I like raising because it looks more bluffy. Something like 1775 to enduce a shove. It can get him to shove Kx or Qx suited because we make it seem like we are going to be folding a lot here with our small bet.

We don't really want to induce a wider range of hands to get it in with his stack vs. our hand. If we induce him to shove Q6s, K7o, 97s type hands he's actually probably correct in doing that. Too many hands have 40%+ equity vs. us that we want to fold when we're holding a high card/low card type hand. Just because K9o or Q8s is a worse hand than A5s doesn't necessarily mean we want him to get it in with it, especially when he's getting odds to do so.

Vekked

djgolfcan;269304 wroteJust wanted to establish my "defending the blinds" image early

Even so, you can't just say "I want to establish an image of defending my blinds" then 3-bet blind. 3-betting hands that are ahead of someone's range for opening but behind their range for continuing vs. your 3-bet is a fundamental 3-betting mistake; you're turning a value hand into a bluff.