cpf-ers wanted to know if this was a jam....

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non exploitable no?

PokerStars Home Game #58619818781: {Canada's Poker Forum} Tournament #370627059, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (40/80) - 2011/03/03 19:16:33 PT [2011/03/03 22:16:33 ET]
Table '370627059 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: DrTyore (3480 in chips)
Seat 2: Sharantyr (2290 in chips)
Seat 3: BSPLOY07 (1491 in chips)
Seat 4: chpmuncher (1019 in chips)
Seat 5: waltsfriend (3130 in chips)
Seat 6: seatheflop (1515 in chips)
Seat 7: DataMn (2325 in chips)
Seat 8: wildbill7145 (1625 in chips)
Seat 9: forboon (1125 in chips)
DrTyore: posts the ante 10
Sharantyr: posts the ante 10
BSPLOY07: posts the ante 10
chpmuncher: posts the ante 10
waltsfriend: posts the ante 10
seatheflop: posts the ante 10
DataMn: posts the ante 10
wildbill7145: posts the ante 10
forboon: posts the ante 10
waltsfriend: posts small blind 40
seatheflop: posts big blind 80
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Qc 9c]
Sharantyr said, "how sweet it is"
DataMn: folds
wildbill7145: folds
BSPLOY07 said, "opps"
DrTyore said, "Meh, Mario's a chip farm!"
forboon: ???

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lol NO man.... ur position and suited means nothing, i wouldnt be caught dead jamming with Q,9s

thats what you get for MT'ing so much, to even question that.

lay it down and pick a better spot.

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AIPF;259283 wrotelol NO man.... ur position and suited means nothing, i wouldnt be caught dead jamming with Q,9s

thats what you get for MT'ing so much, to even question that.

lay it down and pick a better spot.

before you make up your mind lemme say im about 99.9% sure this is a jam.....(ok i exaggerate a little, but still)

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i disagree.

DrTyore

Addendum:

I somehow got it in my head that it went raise-reraise-push(by you).... That I hate.

This I hate less.

Mark

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DrTyore;259290 wroteAddendum:

I somehow got it in my head that it went raise-reraise-push(by you).... That I hate.

This I hate less.

Mark

ahh ic

well im gonna try a video on non exploitable shoves, and see if the top dogs think i have it correct....but basically it means that no matter what its a neutral ev shove at worst and +ev when anyone behind me doesn't call perfectly.....

but we'll see

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darbday;259291 wroteahh ic

well im gonna try a video on non exploitable shoves, and see if the top dogs think i have it correct....but basically it means that no matter what its a neutral ev shove at worst and +ev when anyone behind me doesn't call perfectly.....

but we'll see

what are you trying to imply by "top dogs"? you saying our opinions dont matter?

i bet you went busto, hence ur even posting this, and you probably want someone to tell you it was a good shove...well its not. I hope you got called by K,10 or A,rag or something shitty like that.

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AIPF;259293 wrotewhat are you trying to imply by "top dogs"? you saying our opinions dont matter?

i bet you went busto, hence ur even posting this, and you probably want someone to tell you it was a good shove...well its not. I hope you got called by K,10 or A,rag or something shitty like that.

im just implying that they know what an unexploitable shove is thats all......and the other players asked me to post it......and i got looked up by pocket aces.....:p

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AIPF;259283 wrotelol NO man....

are you going by 'feel' or did you work out the math?

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Q,9s has an EV of like .06 or something, so dont talk to me about not knowing what an unexploitable shove.. ur jam sucked.

u rubbed me the wrong way yoda.

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AIPF;259298 wroteQ,9s has an EV of like .06 or something

ill jam if its 0

edit: sorry how did you calculate this without knowing the other players ranges? (hint: im implying that its impossible)

AIPF;259298 wrote u rubbed me the wrong way yoda.

curiouser and curiouser

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darbday;259299 wroteill jam if its 0

edit: sorry how did you calculate this without knowing the other players ranges? (hint: im implying that its impossible)

curiouser and curiouser

its a part of the chen formula, which is in like 80% of the hold em books ive read. no HUD can give you preflop EV odds like that, sorry.

second, what is curiouser and curiouser?

GTA Poker

seven or so i guess

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GTA Poker;259303 wroteseven or so i guess

random number?...nm i get it...

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AIPF;259301 wroteits a part of the chen formula, which is in like 80% of the hold em books ive read. no HUD can give you preflop EV odds like that, sorry.

plus ev = snap shove

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darbday;259305 wroteplus ev = snap shove

lol

Wetts1012

AIPF;259306 wrotelol

lol. no. +ev is always a shove. Every time.

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Wetts1012;259315 wrotelol. no. +ev is always a shove. Every time.

i waited til 4am to say that...now i can go to bed....

im doin a vid wetts half to explain half to see if i got it right, unless you were hell bent on doin one on them, then you got 5 mins to stop me....

edit: and really i was in bed by 11

Milo

It's the Forum tourney . . . If I'm dealt in, I am liable to shove . . . if it wasn't for the proframming forcing me to see my cards, I might not even look at 'em first.

hmmmmm . . . little bit of duct tap on the monitor would work. ^-^

Seriously, though . . . M = 5.4 (rounded), you are in push/fold mode. At least, as far as I am concerned. As we all sort of know each other through these tournies, I do not think it is horrible to shove the chips into the middle, here. You might get a few better holdings to fold here, too. But I suck at poker . . . please to be telling me you flopped the floosh.

philliivey

I am jamming q9 suited in some situations and this one is close imo.:)

EDIT:

If this was a mtt............