AJ in the SB .... ship it??

Hobbes

18BB running 17/10
Villain running 31/15

People have generally been folding to his raises, and I feel he is punishing the limper here.

I'm a bit a head of where I put his range 77+,ATs+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+,QJo

Full Tilt Poker Game #28514840215: $2 + $0.25 On Demand Tournament (221735585), Table 6 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:13:41 ET - 2011/02/25
Seat 1: rupert2112 (17,270)
Seat 2: reiko27 (18,110)
Seat 3: pantelgr1 (11,967)
Seat 4: crash36912 (9,568)
Seat 5: Sandra463 (26,036), is sitting out
Seat 6: 6_7_of_Diamonds (18,541)
Seat 7: Dejmat (19,470)
Seat 8: Hobbes614 (8,677)
Seat 9: gilliray (12,961)
rupert2112 antes 50
reiko27 antes 50
pantelgr1 antes 50
crash36912 antes 50
Sandra463 antes 50
6_7_of_Diamonds antes 50
Dejmat antes 50
Hobbes614 antes 50
gilliray antes 50
Hobbes614 posts the small blind of 250
gilliray posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hobbes614 [Jd Ad]
rupert2112 folds
reiko27 folds
pantelgr1 folds
Sandra463 has returned
crash36912 folds
Sandra463 calls 500
6_7_of_Diamonds raises to 1,500
Dejmat folds
Hobbes614 has 15 seconds left to act
Hobbes614 ?

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absolutely

Wetts1012

ship is ok, but folds out a bunch of stuff that he may spazz with.

I like a 3b/call. Like 3300/call.

Muddguts

Hobbes;258455 wrote18BB running 17/10
Villain running 31/15

what do those numbers represent?

Wetts1012

Muddguts;258466 wrotewhat do those numbers represent?

vp and pfr, % of hands he plays vs. % of time he raises pre.

Vekked

I would never do anything but cram here.

syphilaids

Personally I dont like the 3300 3bet here....
Whatever he raises with he's going to call like 70% of the time. only 1700 to see a pot of 4200 is very tempting, and our hand can be cracked easily. If you had something like TT+ I can justify the small 3bet, but I have no faith in AJ. Also, We're shipping the flop every time. I just hate it when flop comes like 985 and having him call ya with T8.
I know the theory of poker says you want him to call with worse hands, but really I much rather just jam or 3bet to 4000+ and ship any flop.

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syphilaids;258745 wrotePersonally I dont like the 3300 3bet here....
Whatever he raises with he's going to call like 70% of the time. only 1700 to see a pot of 4200 is very tempting, and our hand can be cracked easily. If you had something like TT+ I can justify the small 3bet, but I have no faith in AJ. Also, We're shipping the flop every time. I just hate it when flop comes like 985 and having him call ya with T8.
I know the theory of poker says you want him to call with worse hands, but really I much rather just jam or 3bet to 4000+ and ship any flop.

ya...but you kind contradicted yourself a few times here....when your ahead of the range your ahead of the range....

i do tend to go go these spots for sure...villain will often fold flop which is good/bad, doesn't get chips in but you win without showdown lots....

syphilaids

Its true we want him to call with worse hands, but i think when he's getting 2.5:1, isn't he getting odds to see a flop and ship any pair/draw?
in my experience lately I've been outdrawn in these spots too often.

Vekked

syphilaids;258781 wroteIts true we want him to call with worse hands, but i think when he's getting 2.5:1, isn't he getting odds to see a flop and ship any pair/draw?
in my experience lately I've been outdrawn in these spots too often.

2.5:1 is def not good enough odds and he's def making a mistake by flatting. Pre-flop odds when more chips are behind are nearly irrelevant in NLH except in specific spots. This isn't one.

EDIT: Not trying to contradict my last post, but just saying he's def not getting odds if we make it that.