missed jury duty

mags

Milo is correct self employed will not get you out of jury duty.

kwsteve

Not necessarily just self employment, financial hardship.

Canadian Jury Duty

Exemptions, for which you must contact the sheriff's office are:

Serving as a juror would cause you extreme hardship. This could apply if, for example, you are a nursing mother, or self-employed and your business would be threatened by your absence.

Limited ability to speak or understand English or French would impede your duty as a juror.

Firm travel plans or other vacation plans conflict with the jury selection or trial date.

If you still feel you have valid reasons for exemption, you will have a chance to discuss them with the judge before you are sworn in or asked to make a solemn affirmation. (A solemn affirmation is a solemn promise that has the same effect as a religious oath.)

Bingo!

Milo

His business would not be "threatened" by losing a little profitability . . . at least that is the comment the Justice of the Peace made to the Roofer in front of me when I went.

Current thinking is that "threatened" means it will go under because of your absence. Unless you can prove that, you're stuck.

kwsteve

Bullshit. If he's the only employee, and if he doesn't show up then the family makes zero income, then yes, that is enough financial hardship to warrant an exemption. I'm of the impression that Wildbill is the sole employee of his painting business. If this is not the case, and other employees can cover for him, then you MAY be right.

But, why don't we let the scenario play out and see what happens? Why do you always have to be the negative Nancy?

Wildbill's got some options so let's just wait and see. Make the story good, Wildbill! :)

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Milo gonna Milo smdh

wildbill7145

I'm gonna try and sell this like you won't believe Steve. Thanks for the info.

I understand the hardship/self employed thing is judge specific. I was talking to a woman yesterday who's hubby's a farmer. He got called. Told the judge he can't leave the farm for any length of time. Judge said "I have a hobby farm so I know what it's like. Suck it up!" They had to take out a loan to hire some guy to work the farm.

I really hope this works out today. Thanks for the info everyone.

wildbill7145

Well, incredibly close call. Made it to round three of the selection process (which is incredibly boring).

The judge didn't care whatsoever about being self employed single income family and said "if we let everyone use that we'd have no juries."

Told him about the jhs affiliation. He asked if that would make me impartial. I said no.

My last hope was for the counsel challenge phase. Each are given a certain number to use. He handed what I wrote about being self employed, former prisoner advocate to defence. "No challenge your honour". He hands it to crown "CHALLENGE!"

"Your excused sir."

Close call.

kwsteve

wildbill7145;381138 wroteWell, incredibly close call. Made it to round three of the selection process (which is incredibly boring).

The judge didn't care whatsoever about being self employed single income family and said "if we let everyone use that we'd have no juries."

Told him about the jhs affiliation. He asked if that would make me impartial. I said no.

My last hope was for the counsel challenge phase. Each are given a certain number to use. He handed what I wrote about being self employed, former prisoner advocate to defence. "No challenge your honour". He hands it to crown "CHALLENGE!"

"Your excused sir."

Close call.

Good job.

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Nice job Billy vamooooo

wildbill7145

Although it worked, and I need to keep working I don't feel 100% good about it. We need juries and they should be an overall representation of society.

Can't just have a bunch of unemployed people or retirees doing that kind of thing. I dunno, maybe if we had two solid incomes I would have just gone with the flow.

kwsteve

For better or worse, the system is the system. It wasn't built by you, but we all have to live in it.

Milo

Glad you got out of it relatively unscathed. Hope you understand (even if others do not) that I was not trying to be negative, simply relay my experience with "the system".

And I agree with your points in post #50. Would love to serve on a jury sometime, but my Colitis makes it impractical, if not impossible. Hence my deferral.

wildbill7145

I've had a lifelong interest in the crim justice system too. If it was January (my slow time), I'd love to go through the process. Just not now.

Although it's an American show, I've watched every episode of Law & Order (old school vanilla version) several times. All seasons!

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i hope i get selected to do jury time someday, it would be an honor

u have to vote or some shit to get considered dont u?

lol voting

BlondeFish

Similar from what I saw from the judges when I went. One guy kept trying to get out of jury duty every single day in court with a different angle; on our final day, he had a letter from his lawyer and the different judge rolled up his eyes, :rolleyes: while a bunch of us couldn't help laughing.

Didn't the judge tell you to return for another selection round? I was talking to this girl who got challenged by one of the lawyers, then told by the judge to return the next day for the next court case.

wildbill7145;381138 wroteWell, incredibly close call. Made it to round three of the selection process (which is incredibly boring).

The judge didn't care whatsoever about being self employed single income family and said "if we let everyone use that we'd have no juries."

Told him about the jhs affiliation. He asked if that would make me impartial. I said no.

My last hope was for the counsel challenge phase. Each are given a certain number to use. He handed what I wrote about being self employed, former prisoner advocate to defence. "No challenge your honour". He hands it to crown "CHALLENGE!"

"Your excused sir."

Close call.

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wildbill7145

BlondeFish;381154 wrote
Didn't the judge tell you to return for another selection round? I was talking to this girl who got challenged by one of the lawyers, then told by the judge to return the next day for the next court case.

Nope, trial is starting tomorrow. Pretty sure they needed a jury picked today and that was all they were concerned about. Two alternates as well. They didn't seem too concerned about a different round. We're also talking different population densities I'm sure.

Everybody kind of freaked out when they heard the tomorrow start date.

I was kind of surprised by this as well, but given what I saw in BC... It didn't surprise me that this was happening in Ontario. The whole court system is a complete cluster BLEEP.

The public has no clue what they pay unnecessarily for inmate transfer from remand center to courthouse and back. Video court has assisted in this, but it's not always available.

moose

and so were you picked, given your release because of financial hardship or what?

Worst update ever.

wildbill7145

moose;381163 wroteand so were you picked, given your release because of financial hardship or what?

Worst update ever.

Sorry Moose, I thought it was pretty clear. To me at least. I said I was excused. That's clear right? The judge didn't seem to care about the fact I was self employed. I can't say for certain that the crown chose this as the reason, but it appeared to be the case that it wasn't. It appeared to me moreso that my former employment role was the catch as a prisoner advocate. I thought that was clear, maybe not.

The counsel can choose any reason they want without question at the challenge phase. They don't have to provide a reason. My speculation is just that, but that's the way it appeared to me.

It appeared to me that the previous prisoner's advocacy role hit a note with the crown.

That's all I know. Sorry it didn't read well.

moose

Sorry somehow new posts skipped to the end and I missed your other posts.

piggypie123

They sent you a letter saying you have jury duty right? What would happen if you just ignored them and didn't show up?

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