NEVER bet a dry side pot...

88Fingers

I know the theory of never betting a dry side pot in a tournament. Why push someone out of the pot that might end up folding a hand that wouldve beat out the all in player when the short stack has a better hand at the end than you?

I think I found an exception...

PokerStars Game #52724711397: Tournament #331140737, $10.00+$2.50+$1.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2010/11/15 6:01:21 ET
Table '331140737 10' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: 88Fingers88 (68133 in chips)
Seat 5: sambosmile (6379 in chips)
Seat 6: Mabolo (38974 in chips)
Seat 7: pure.macabre (27274 in chips)
Seat 8: Carelo (74818 in chips)
88Fingers88: posts the ante 250
sambosmile: posts the ante 250
Mabolo: posts the ante 250
pure.macabre: posts the ante 250
Carelo: posts the ante 250
sambosmile: posts small blind 1250
Mabolo: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 88Fingers88 [5h 5c]
pure.macabre: folds
Carelo: raises 2932 to 5432
88Fingers88: calls 5432
sambosmile: raises 697 to 6129 and is all-in
Mabolo: folds
Carelo: calls 697
88Fingers88: calls 697
*** FLOP *** [Jh Jd 5d]
Carelo: checks
88Fingers88: bets 7500
Carelo: folds
Uncalled bet (7500) returned to 88Fingers88
*** TURN *** [Jh Jd 5d] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Jh Jd 5d 3s] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sambosmile: shows [Kh Qd] (a pair of Jacks)
88Fingers88: shows [5h 5c] (a full house, Fives full of Jacks)
88Fingers88 collected 22137 from pot
88Fingers88 wins the $2.50 bounty for eliminating sambosmile
sambosmile finished the tournament in 10th place and received $38.40.
Debilne_Ucho is connected
Ghome is connected
ivanich-off is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 22137 | Rake 0
Board [Jh Jd 5d 3s 7s]
Seat 4: 88Fingers88 (button) showed [5h 5c] and won (22137) with a full house, Fives full of Jacks
Seat 5: sambosmile (small blind) showed [Kh Qd] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 6: Mabolo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: pure.macabre folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Carelo folded on the Flop

We were deep in the money already (the player who I busted was the final table bubble). I flopped a full house but if the player who still had chips had a Jack I was the action; or had a higher pocket pair they might out draw me...

I know I know... monsters under the bed... but since I seem to always find the exceptions to situations - was this an acceptable move or did I potentially lose value in the long run?

Richard~

88Fingers;245092 wroteI know the theory of never betting a dry side pot in a tournament. Why push someone out of the pot that might end up folding a hand that wouldve beat out the all in player when the short stack has a better hand at the end than you?

I think you're implying that people care about busting a player and won't bet ace high here if they think they're ahead in the side pot and can take on the all in player uncontested <.<

Milo

If your plan is to maximize your profit by getting the other player to put more $$$ in the pot, why not check the flop. Your bet makes it difficult for the other player to call unless he has a J or an overpair, imo. Why not see if a flush draw gets there, and hope he tries to get you to "come along"?

The above is not necessarily good strategy, because I suck at this, but still . . .

philliivey

You lost value.

I am even more disappointed in you that you were playing 55 instead of 88. :wink2:

actyper

88Fingers;245092 wroteI know the theory of never betting a dry side pot in a tournament. Why push someone out of the pot that might end up folding a hand that wouldve beat out the all in player when the short stack has a better hand at the end than you?

The theory is to not bluff a dry side pot. Not betting a dry side pot when you have a hand is lost value.

compuease

actyper;245103 wroteThe theory is to not bluff a dry side pot. Not betting a dry side pot when you have a hand is lost value.

+1. This for sure. If we're a long way off the money then I try to win the hand whatever it takes. I do not just "check it down" to eliminate a player at this point. However if we are on a significant money bubble I may.. Amazing how many players will call you grumbling about eliminating a player when you have a set or something similar. Create that side pot, get more value..

Hobbes

I'm prob checking or minbetting the flop, trying to get an Ace along for the ride.

compuease

Hobbes;245113 wroteI'm prob checking or minbetting the flop, trying to get an Ace along for the ride.

I love it when the other guy (who is not all in) starts complaining at this point.. lol..

djgolfcan

compuease;245115 wroteI love it when the other guy (who is not all in) starts complaining at this point.. lol..

For the record, I was not complaining. :)

Milo

Okay, stop whining, then . . .

when's the next Royal? :D