JtotheLew
To keep it short, what spots should I be looking for to 3bet in MTT and SNG type games.. I don't think that I do it near enough and would like to start adding the 3bet to my arsenal more. Interestingly enough, I do it a lot in ring game but I haven't seemed to find the right spots to do it when I play SNG/MTT.
Same goes for 4 betting
philliivey
|Same with me, don't think I am 3 betting enough,what levels are you talking about?
Last year at about this time when I went on a rampage(good results) I was 4 betting 10's like crazy, but that was against the right opponents mind you.:)
djgolfcan
It's all about note taking and their stats. If a villain is raising 30-40% of their hands, their is no way they have it all the time. Look for cut-off or button raises, especially if they do it all the time.
You don't want to do this too often, or they will pick up on it and start to four bet you light.
Hobbes
I tend to 3bet more w 18-25BB vs a stack the same size late in a tournament but is player dependent (e.g I don't 3bet too light vs some guy running 15/8)
Wetts1012
Impossible thread to comment on.
You mentioned you find spots in cash games. I assume you do this because you recognize tendencies and betting patterns.
MTT are absolutely no different. Pick the same spots and go.
The only factor to consider is villain stack size. Obv ur not 3 betting a 10bb stack whos just committed 2.5. Play your deepstack game the same as ring.
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Wetts1012;241754 wroteImpossible thread to comment on.
i came to the same conclusion when i tried to comment. Basically, when you have a hand that is stronger than the first raisers hand or his hand range you should likely 3bet. But because there are so many factors its prob better to look at other fundamentals.
just make sure your percentage is not out of line.....
mines 6% after 200 hands in a 180 man.....don't know what that means though
philliivey
Not really sure what the amount should have been here.
***** Hand History for Game 24964008212 ***** (Full Tilt)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 24, 11:16:00 ET 2010
Table 1 020 Sit Go (193340760) Table 2 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: jhernon9 ( $620.00 USD )
Seat 2: AJLemma ( $1860.00 USD )
Seat 4: 5GoldenRings ( $1900.00 USD )
Seat 5: Penfold74 ( $2563.00 USD )
Seat 6: VINI_Ozone ( $1092.00 USD )
Seat 8: nyangel40 ( $1790.00 USD )
Seat 9: gworth ( $2335.00 USD )
nyangel40 posts small blind [$30.00 USD].
gworth posts big blind [$60.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gworth [ Qs Qc ]
jhernon9 folds
AJLemma folds
5GoldenRings folds
Penfold74 folds
VINI_Ozone raises [$180.00 USD]
nyangel40 folds
gworth raises [$450.00 USD]
VINI_Ozone folds
gworth wins $330.00 USD
gworth wins $390.00 USD from main pot
Richard~
philliivey;242353 wroteNot really sure what the amount should have been here.
Given stacks anything is fine, you're commiting his stack even if you click it back basically. Deeper stacks usually means a bit bigger bets
GTA Poker
philliivey;242353 wroteNot really sure what the amount should have been here.
***** Hand History for Game 24964008212 ***** (Full Tilt)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 24, 11:16:00 ET 2010
Table 1 020 Sit Go (193340760) Table 2 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: jhernon9 ( $620.00 USD )
Seat 2: AJLemma ( $1860.00 USD )
Seat 4: 5GoldenRings ( $1900.00 USD )
Seat 5: Penfold74 ( $2563.00 USD )
Seat 6: VINI_Ozone ( $1092.00 USD )
Seat 8: nyangel40 ( $1790.00 USD )
Seat 9: gworth ( $2335.00 USD )
nyangel40 posts small blind [$30.00 USD].
gworth posts big blind [$60.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gworth [ Qs Qc ]
jhernon9 folds
AJLemma folds
5GoldenRings folds
Penfold74 folds
VINI_Ozone raises [$180.00 USD]
nyangel40 folds
gworth raises [$450.00 USD]
VINI_Ozone folds
gworth wins $330.00 USD
gworth wins $390.00 USD from main pot
I'm pretty sure 3 betting the 3rd best hand in all of poker does not have much to do with the OP
philliivey
Perhaps a spot? bubble of a 18 man sit n go.
***** Hand History for Game 24992272972 ***** (Full Tilt)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 25, 11:00:14 ET 2010
Table 1 020 Sit Go (193550993) Table 1 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: IHazNutz ( $3230.00 USD )
Seat 2: domy2 ( $8590.00 USD )
Seat 3: gworth ( $5080.00 USD )
Seat 4: jfalen ( $1715.00 USD )
Seat 7: sZ420 ( $8385.00 USD )
domy2 posts small blind [$200.00 USD].
gworth posts big blind [$400.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gworth [ As Qh ]
jfalen raises [$1715.00 USD]
sZ420 folds
IHazNutz calls [$1715.00 USD]
domy2 folds
gworth raises [$3800.00 USD]
IHazNutz calls [$1515.00 USD]
gworth shows [As, Qh ]
jfalen shows [9h, Kh ]
IHazNutz shows [Ac, Ts ]
gworth wins $970.00 USD
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, Jh, Qc ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
IHazNutz wins $3030.00 USD from main pot
IHazNutz wins $5345.00 USD from main pot
syphilaids
This spot is less to do with a 3bet and mroe to do with the fact you have 12 bbs and AQ. Push pre 100% pls.
philliivey
syphilaids;242516 wroteThis spot is less to do with a 3bet and mroe to do with the fact you have 12 bbs and AQ. Push pre 100% pls.
It's a stt not a mtt :)
I pretty much pushed anyway as you can see.;)
I meant cause it was the 2 shortest stacks was it a good spot? (trying to help the o.p. here peeps, work with me!)
syphilaids
ah. Yeah stt changes things a bit. But still, here I'm looking at AQ and 2 shorties are shipping. If I win, I'll put me into first place, and it'll burst the bubble. I'm willing to try.
GTA Poker
philliivey;242502 wrotePerhaps a spot? bubble of a 18 man sit n go.
***** Hand History for Game 24992272972 ***** (Full Tilt)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 25, 11:00:14 ET 2010
Table 1 020 Sit Go (193550993) Table 1 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: IHazNutz ( $3230.00 USD )
Seat 2: domy2 ( $8590.00 USD )
Seat 3: gworth ( $5080.00 USD )
Seat 4: jfalen ( $1715.00 USD )
Seat 7: sZ420 ( $8385.00 USD )
domy2 posts small blind [$200.00 USD].
gworth posts big blind [$400.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gworth [ As Qh ]
jfalen raises [$1715.00 USD]
sZ420 folds
IHazNutz calls [$1715.00 USD]
domy2 folds
gworth raises [$3800.00 USD]
IHazNutz calls [$1515.00 USD]
gworth shows [As, Qh ]
jfalen shows [9h, Kh ]
IHazNutz shows [Ac, Ts ]
gworth wins $970.00 USD
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, Jh, Qc ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
IHazNutz wins $3030.00 USD from main pot
IHazNutz wins $5345.00 USD from main pot
u don't understand the point of this thread
philliivey
GTA Poker;242525 wroteu don't understand the point of this thread
Apparently you don't.
Oh well, I tried Richard and syphil.
JtotheLew
philliivey;242526 wroteApparently you don't.
Oh well, I tried Richard and syphil.
I was more looking for information on 3/4 betting in deep stack situations, not how to get it all in at a STT..
Wetts1012
How wide, this wide?
Full Tilt Poker Game #19432885276: $10 + $1 Knockout (147977653), Table 19 - 3000/6000 Ante 750 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:19:14 ET - 2010/03/21
Seat 2: ucwf123 (169,262)
Seat 3: Wetts1012 (229,018)
Seat 5: egowhips (37,839)
Seat 8: Houston Cougars (163,378)
Seat 9: Gatsu33 (326,003)
ucwf123 antes 750
Wetts1012 antes 750
egowhips antes 750
Houston Cougars antes 750
Gatsu33 antes 750
egowhips posts the small blind of 3,000
Houston Cougars posts the big blind of 6,000
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [Ad 3d]
Gatsu33 folds
ucwf123 raises to 24,000
Wetts1012 raises to 64,000
egowhips folds
Houston Cougars folds
ucwf123 has 15 seconds left to act
ucwf123 folds
Uncalled bet of 40,000 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the
Wetts1012
Or this?
Full Tilt Poker Game #15238025726: $35,000 Guarantee (111547141), Table 102 - 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:31:03 ET - 2009/10/10
Seat 1: Clarke Griswald (433,070)
Seat 2: BOBRS (199,344)
Seat 3: putter85 (332,129)
Seat 4: Quartersack (272,983)
Seat 5: 1Eye1 (185,080)
Seat 6: Ari (692,912)
Seat 7: Wetts1012 (156,238)
Seat 9: buzzley (204,284)
Clarke Griswald antes 1,000
BOBRS antes 1,000
putter85 antes 1,000
Quartersack antes 1,000
1Eye1 antes 1,000
Ari antes 1,000
Wetts1012 antes 1,000
buzzley antes 1,000
Wetts1012 posts the small blind of 5,000
buzzley posts the big blind of 10,000
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [Kd Jd]
Clarke Griswald folds
BOBRS folds
putter85 folds
Quartersack folds
1Eye1 folds
Ari raises to 23,525
Wetts1012 raises to 155,238, and is all in
buzzley has 15 seconds left to act
buzzley folds
Ari folds
Uncalled bet of 131,713 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (65,050)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 65,050 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Clarke Griswald folded before the Flop
Seat 2: BOBRS folded before the Flop
Seat 3: putter85 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Quartersack folded before the Flop
Seat 5: 1Eye1 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Ari (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Wetts1012 (small blind) collected (65,050), mucked
Seat 9: buzzley (big blind) folded before the Flop
Wetts1012
wider?
Full Tilt Poker Game #16491112213: $12,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (121844341), Table 7 - 8000/16000 Ante 2000 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:34:50 ET - 2009/12/03
Seat 1: viju1 (320,658)
Seat 2: wonderroli (1,135,397)
Seat 3: LaaaidBak (954,689)
Seat 4: Dihxm (1,299,735)
Seat 5: Wetts1012 (528,976)
Seat 6: DirkReems (650,045)
viju1 antes 2,000
wonderroli antes 2,000
LaaaidBak antes 2,000
Dihxm antes 2,000
Wetts1012 antes 2,000
DirkReems antes 2,000
DirkReems posts the small blind of 8,000
viju1 posts the big blind of 16,000
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [Jc Tc]
cetamua (Observer): and consistent too
wonderroli folds
JSnyder32677 (Observer): yea but he himself said
LaaaidBak raises to 37,500
Dihxm folds
JSnyder32677 (Observer): to make the final table u must be lucky
cetamua (Observer): I checked
Wetts1012 raises to 81,555
DirkReems folds
viju1 folds
cetamua (Observer): of course u need luck
OKNIC (Observer): ceta he won 100k
LaaaidBak folds
Uncalled bet of 44,055 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (111,000)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 111,000 | Rake 0
Seat 1: viju1 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: wonderroli folded before the Flop
Seat 3: LaaaidBak folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Dihxm folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Wetts1012 (button) collected (111,000), mucked
Seat 6: DirkReems (small blind) folded before the Flop
Wetts1012
9 high?
Full Tilt Poker Game #20511979459: Super Stack $15K Guarantee (157438381), Table 58 - 1200/2400 Ante 300 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:16:01 ET - 2010/05/02
Seat 1: FOOLSON (50,521)
Seat 2: Wetts1012 (259,924)
Seat 3: saxil (134,850)
Seat 4: Masterwaldi (30,692)
Seat 5: Heffman69 (210,481)
Seat 6: VLCTexas (97,292)
Seat 7: slavoy (122,944)
Seat 8: Tennessee_Ed (184,482)
Seat 9: zdad59 (145,676)
FOOLSON antes 300
Wetts1012 antes 300
saxil antes 300
Masterwaldi antes 300
Heffman69 antes 300
VLCTexas antes 300
slavoy antes 300
Tennessee_Ed antes 300
zdad59 antes 300
saxil posts the small blind of 1,200
Masterwaldi posts the big blind of 2,400
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [8h 9c]
Heffman69 folds
Masterwaldi has reconnected
VLCTexas folds
slavoy raises to 4,800
Tennessee_Ed has 15 seconds left to act
Tennessee_Ed folds
zdad59 folds
FOOLSON has been disconnected
FOOLSON folds
FOOLSON has reconnected
Wetts1012 raises to 14,400
saxil folds
FOOLSON has been disconnected
Masterwaldi folds
FOOLSON has reconnected
slavoy folds
Uncalled bet of 9,600 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (15,900)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 15,900 | Rake 0
Seat 1: FOOLSON folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Wetts1012 (button) collected (15,900), mucked
Seat 3: saxil (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Masterwaldi (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Heffman69 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: VLCTexas folded before the Flop
Seat 7: slavoy folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Tennessee_Ed folded before the Flop
Seat 9: zdad59 folded before the Flop