Anyone else diggin these odds...?

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Full Tilt Poker Game #22226700467: $3 + $0.30 Knockout (171518272), Table 23 - 30/60 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:12:24 ET - 2010/07/11
Seat 1: CSHiRL (3,460)
Seat 2: forboon (1,115)
Seat 3: Dodg9880 (570)
Seat 5: melch300 (1,000)
Seat 6: Bug07 (730)
Seat 7: jmcox42 (2,380)
Seat 8: Sonora Slew (1,550)
Seat 9: Javicho9 (7,055)
melch300 posts the small blind of 30
Bug07 posts the big blind of 60
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Ks As]
jmcox42 folds
Sonora Slew raises to 240
Javicho9 folds
CSHiRL folds
forboon calls 240
Dodg9880 folds
melch300 folds
Bug07 calls 180
*** FLOP *** [2h 4s 5c]
Bug07 bets 240
Sonora Slew has 15 seconds left to act
SciencePup sits down
Sonora Slew raises to 1,310, and is all in
forboon has 15 seconds left to act
forboon has requested TIME
forboon ???

Richard~

meh, do whatever you want here, it's probably not a +EV call. next time let's reshove our 20 BB stack pre, slowplaying in a 3 dollar KO tournament is pretty silly

Wetts1012

Shove more please.

Vekked

Richard~;231874 wrotemeh, do whatever you want here, it's probably not a +EV call. next time let's reshove our 20 BB stack pre, slowplaying in a 3 dollar KO tournament is pretty silly

Jamming here pre is the ONLY play ever. Never ever play it different.

As played fold flop, you have another guy left to act and sonora's repping a solid hand.

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Richard~;231874 wrotemeh, do whatever you want here, it's probably not a +EV call. next time let's reshove our 20 BB stack pre, slowplaying in a 3 dollar KO tournament is pretty silly

was a little different hand for me. but your really shoving 20 bb here? i didn't really think it was slow playing as i don't really see me ahead of his range. smooth call in position i didn't think would be so bad.

I guess my hand warrants a raise and my raise warrants a shove.

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Vekked;231902 wrote
As played fold flop, you have another guy left to act and sonora's repping a solid hand.

now this....im not so sure about and it happens to be the real question of the thread...im thinking...this is a snap call.

Richard~

darbday;231906 wrotenow this....im not so sure about and it happens to be the real question of the thread...im thinking...this is a snap call.

we're playing a 3 dollar KO tournament, he is repping a wide range, no way to tell really. In no way is everyone taking this line in a 3 dollar KO gonna have a monster, probably pretty far from it

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Richard~;231908 wrotewe're playing a 3 dollar KO tournament, he is repping a wide range, no way to tell really. In no way is everyone taking this line in a 3 dollar KO gonna have a monster, probably pretty far from it

which means you agree we're callin this? i'd like to put him a standard tight range like tt+,ak,aq. but adding maybe 66-99. and i could add 22-55 plus some stuff like kjs. i always lean towards him having an awkard hand like middle pair or ak aq. either way theres four bets to my call in the pot and that destroys and range i have him on i think.....

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darbday;231905 wrotewas a little different hand for me. but your really shoving 20 bb here? i didn't really think it was slow playing as i don't really see me ahead of his range. smooth call in position i didn't think would be so bad.

I guess my hand warrants a raise and my raise warrants a shove.

You're not behind anyone's range in the world with AK. You should be shoving AQ and 99 here too.

Vekked

darbday;231906 wrotenow this....im not so sure about and it happens to be the real question of the thread...im thinking...this is a snap call.

Put them on a range and we'll be able to discuss this better.

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Vekked;231915 wrotePut them on a range and we'll be able to discuss this better.

see above...?

Vekked

darbday;231922 wrotesee above...?

This is assuming the BB is dead money 100% of the time, which isn't true.

Board: 2c 4d 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.761% 29.36% 07.40% 90687 22861.50 { AKs }
Hand 1: 63.239% 55.84% 07.40% 172470 22861.50 { 22+, AJs+, AKo }

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Vekked;231924 wroteThis is assuming the BB is dead money 100% of the time, which isn't true.

no he's very likely calling but beat if we hit an A,k, or a 3....anyways.....how much money for the call vs. the pot....and how does it compare to the %'s?

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darbday;231930 wroteno he's very likely calling but beat if we hit an A,k, or a 3....anyways.....how much money for the call vs. the pot....and how does it compare to the %'s?

Too many tables to figure it out right now, I'll check later. You gotta remember the A, K, and 3 aren't always good, and most of the time only 2/3 of them will be clean outs if you're up against a set, a straight, or something like pocket 6s/A5.

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Vekked;231932 wroteToo many tables to figure it out right now, I'll check later. You gotta remember the A, K, and 3 aren't always good, and most of the time only 2/3 of them will be clean outs if you're up against a set, a straight, or something like pocket 6s/A5.

umm....maybe play less tables if you have no time for me.....

i really don't see the ep raiser with a low pp pre-flop here...its rarer with these stakes. mid pair ak, the bb could be anything but im feeling a weak pair or a straight draw. thats my read but my range is bigger. when original raiser comes over top, im highly putting him on 99+, ak, strong enough to shove not enough to slow play.

odds are 2.13 to one i think....but i thought they were better but i didn't count that some of his money gets returned regardless but that doesn't count the bb's extra 250.