betrthanphil;229472 wrotehaha that comment i made wasnt referring to the original post, it was referring to the one made by richard. And no by raising to 5x the bb against a limper he will still call with 66 most likely or he would of folded and not limped. And when the flop comes 236 and i have 1010 no way i can get away from it, as i have already committed most of my stack. But by betting 2-2.5x bb i can small ball the flop and have the opportunity to fold, not likely to fold on flop but possibly see the turn and get away from it there. Im just giving my opinion, i dont raise to 5x the bb unless i have a monster and there were like 3 or 4 limpers before me. With 1 limper only way i raise to 5x bb if its in first 2 levels of the tourney.
darbday;229475 wrotesmall ball does not play that way. Small ball is favored "in position" with multiple outs. With the small bet, you invited multiple callers and have to set mine. You cannot continue to put chips in this hand without hitting a ten. You are very likely out of position, your only play is cbet and pray your opp folds, and with a small ball bet they won't fold. If you are played back at, in any point of the hand....i don't see how anyone can justify not folding without hitting one of 2 outs. Even preflop.
betrthanphil;229476 wroteif you play like that i dont possibly see how your profitable. You missing so much. Who you are playing, how they play, have they check raised an innocent flop like q72 before. Have they been caught bluffing when check raising those. Could they be on a draw? It all depends on the situation, and of course the chip stacks. If you want to grind out at 15x the bb and instant fold 1010 on any flop where you dont hit a 10 be my guest. 20bb is not much to play with, in fact with 20 bb your basically only playing made hands, you cant afford to bluff. No hand will act the same everytime, and to say you fold 1010 on any flop where you dont hit a 10, even with 1 over card, is ridiculous. Early position or not.
richard~;229510 wroteyou do realise you edge him like crazy if he calls oop or even in position against you setmining with a pot bet behind?
betrthanphil;229523 wrotewhat do you mean by edging him? Never heard of that.
betrthanphil;229528 wrotei see what your saying, but thats best case senerio. Im just saying i dont feel confident commiting 25% of my chips preflop and then having to fold when a flop comes qjlow or something. Maybe im just staying close to what the `book` says, which is if your bet is 25% or more of your stack preflop, just push it in. No shame in taking blinds, if someone wakes up with a moster, well it happens. Now with 20bb id never do that with 1010 in ep but if your going to raise to 5xbb thats 25% of your stack, you might as well just push.
darbday;229534 wroteno phili must keep thread alive till 'issue' is sorted...
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