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how do you play Tens from here?

Full Tilt Poker Game #21597617324: All in 4 Autism (153630376), Table 9 - 150/300 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:02:52 ET - 2010/06/13
Seat 1: idahored1980 (9,928)
Seat 2: WhizdumbAQ (5,620)
Seat 3: AAAKK_AAAAK (12,555)
Seat 4: forboon (6,159)
Seat 5: MammyKat (4,080)
Seat 6: miwakura (5,358)
Seat 7: Harbor1941 (18,784)
Seat 8: AcEGoDD (14,510)
Seat 9: chocomunkie (11,382)
idahored1980 antes 25
WhizdumbAQ antes 25
AAAKK_AAAAK antes 25
forboon antes 25
MammyKat antes 25
miwakura antes 25
Harbor1941 antes 25
AcEGoDD antes 25
chocomunkie antes 25
idahored1980 posts the small blind of 150
WhizdumbAQ posts the big blind of 300
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Tc Th]
AAAKK_AAAAK folds
forboon.....

can you fold? how big do you raise? what are you planning on doing with it to a raise preflop? what are you doing hu with an overpair to the flop?

DennisG

What's the buy in? What's the table doing? How are we playing? How many are left?

I can fold here, but that would depend on the table and my image. If I have been a rock, I lead out with 3x, letting everyone know I am very interested..there is 10% of our stack already in the pot with just blinds and antes..if we get re-raised, it is easy to let go. Still have 15 bb and position coming up...

If we are playing loosey-goosey...I probably still raise and shove to a re raise knowing we are probably ahead in a race.

If we get one caller and (likely) an over card lands..A or K, I cbet (or c/r depending on who calls and how I perceive them). Q, I check/fold. (maybe float depending on flop texture) (if I have a tight image)

I am plenty ok with a fold here too.

too many unknowns...

tear me up...

Wetts1012

DennisG;229205 wrote I can fold here, but that would depend on the table and my image.

I am plenty ok with a fold here too.

I havent really had time to think about the hand in general, but:

Really? You're openfolding 1010? I may have read what you typed wrong though.

DennisG

Wetts1012;229250 wroteI havent really had time to think about the hand in general, but:

Really? You're openfolding 1010? I may have read what you typed wrong though.

lol..it isn't my first choice by any means...and yeah I know..tight. I am not limping, and I am not open shoving...but, with position coming and it costing me 3x to raise with only 20bb, some circumstances may justify a fold...

Wetts1012

DennisG;229255 wrotesome circumstances may justify a fold...

I cant think of any.

Unless its a satellite bubble.

Its definately a tricky spot, but I think folding is super weaktight here.

Personally I think:

open raise > shove > limp > fold.

If we get shipped on after we open then there are decisions to be made, and folding is in that range depending on the villain.

betrthanphil

I like raising to 2.5x BB. that is my general raise. If I had played the last 2 or 3 hands I might consider a limp, call a raise if it happens. depending on how the flop comes ill prob play it slow calling any flop with 2 low card and a face, but folding if an ace falls. If he continues to bet on turn Id prob fold. But considering your stack also I have changed my mind and dont think we could call a bet on flop, we would either have to decide to push to a bet or fold. Depends on the person in the pot and how they have been playing. I would never consider open folding, thats just me, I wouldnt say its a horrible play, but your only at 20xBB and if you wanna win you eventually need to get a stack. Generally how the hand plays out depends on whos in the hand and how they have been playing.

Richard~

Seems like a standard raise, you're representing quite a bit of strength opening that stack from EP so unless you have a read on a player I might let this go if reraised. If someone calls I'm a little bit worried about getting trapped but you'll just have to deal with that situation the best you can

(you'd probably shove up to 15 BB's with antes but I can't think of a situation to open muck unless you're dealing with some pretty heavy icm stuff...ever)

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i appreciate the comments...still not sure....it seems im reduced to set mining and or continuation betting with air......

Wetts1012

darbday;229272 wrotei appreciate the comments...still not sure....it seems im reduced to set mining and or continuation betting with air......

I think if you standard open and get called you are almost always setmining.

I dont like cbetting in this spot unless the flop is super dry.

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Wetts1012;229273 wroteI think if you standard open and get called you are almost always setmining.

I dont like cbetting in this spot unless the flop is super dry.

super dry would be we have an over pair to the board.....which is we do cbet, were folding to a re raise and getting messed up over a call

then we've reduced this hand to 22-99 no?
and were' folding to a preflop re raise for any decent size stack (without a crazy history).

I'm leaning towards laying this down alot......

actyper

I wouldn't even think about laying this down, if you're worried about seeing a flop and wondering what to do, might as well just shove instead.

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actyper;229284 wroteI wouldn't even think about laying this down, if you're worried about seeing a flop and wondering what to do, might as well just shove instead.

sure but.... how would play each of 77 88 99 ......cause im likely folding those....

and as far as limping the tt in ep (others considered), your likely calling a raise that will be more than what you would have bet and seen the flop in the first place. which is not a good way to set mine imo

HammerDad

I raise this hand in this situation to 700-750. You have a good starting hand and enough chips behind you to fold if action gets to hyper behind you.

On the flop, depending on how many called, I may cbet if an over card hits. If two overcards come down, I probably c/f or check/evalute depending on flop texture and opponent. The more people that call, the less likely I bet out with the overcard.

IMO the hand is too strong to open fold pre, but is a hand you have to play with caution as it vulnerable.

Wetts1012

darbday;229286 wrotesure but.... how would play each of 77 88 99

I play them the same way as 1010. Open and evaluate further action.

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Wetts1012;229289 wroteI play them the same way as 1010. Open and evaluate further action.

from utg+1....you ......do.....not?!

Wetts1012

okok I open shove.

syphilaids

darbday;229294 wrotefrom utg+1....you ......do.....not?!

what, you're goign to sit around and wait for KK?

I allways open raise with 77+ from any position, as long as its unopened.
You have no reason to believe you don't have the best hand. If you get called, you can re-evaluate.

Back to the TT spot.
I am folding this hand somwhere between NEVER and NEVER. you have 20bbs. I'm raising / shipping here almost all the time unless villian is a nit.
EDIT: I'm also raising about 3-4bbs. Make it hard for villians to call, and let them know you're serious. I really see no reason to ship, as I personally don't mind a call.

If I get called I cbet often say 75% of the time. I think the only time i'm not cbetting is flops like AKJ, 567 one suit, KQ8, etc. but it's all villian dependant. On a 567 one suit against LAG tard ill probably C/R, but I really don't want a call here.

TT>90% of hands out there. You have to play it with your stack.

actyper

88/99 I play the same way as TT. 77/66 I play the same way some of the time, but will occaisionally just fold or shove, depends on my tilt mood. 55 and under I fold.

Limping TT the only way I would play this would be to reshove a raiser essentially turning my hand into a bluff, but the chances of me playing it this way are very small.

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syphilaids;229298 wrote. I really see no reason to ship

so this wasn't you then?

Full Tilt Poker Game #21613108462: $14,500 Guarantee (Rebuy) (166533608), Table 185 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:44:00 ET - 2010/06/14
Seat 1: teabagger357 (7,745)
Seat 2: ryman70 (4,969)
Seat 3: forboon (4,635)
Seat 4: DAVE101GAHAN (24,039)
Seat 5: bigchuck59 (6,538)
Seat 6: soapnyoureye (22,805)
Seat 7: dannyboy0203 (9,745)
Seat 8: klodi (6,717)
Seat 9: DANYLSON93 (6,120)
teabagger357 antes 25
ryman70 antes 25
forboon antes 25
DAVE101GAHAN antes 25
bigchuck59 antes 25
soapnyoureye antes 25
dannyboy0203 antes 25
klodi antes 25
DANYLSON93 antes 25
soapnyoureye posts the small blind of 120
dannyboy0203 posts the big blind of 240
DAVE101GAHAN has been disconnected
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Jd Js]
DAVE101GAHAN has reconnected
klodi has 15 seconds left to act
klodi folds
DANYLSON93 calls 240
teabagger357 folds
ryman70 raises to 4,944, and is all in
forboon calls 4,610, and is all in
DAVE101GAHAN folds
bigchuck59 folds
soapnyoureye has 15 seconds left to act
DAVE101GAHAN has been disconnected
DAVE101GAHAN has reconnected
soapnyoureye has requested TIME
soapnyoureye folds
dannyboy0203 folds
DANYLSON93 has 15 seconds left to act
DANYLSON93 folds
ryman70 shows [Tc Ts]
forboon shows [Jd Js]
Uncalled bet of 334 returned to ryman70
*** FLOP *** [7c Td 9h]
*** TURN *** [7c Td 9h] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [7c Td 9h 3c] [2c]
ryman70 shows three of a kind, Tens
forboon shows a pair of Jacks
ryman70 wins the pot (10,045) with three of a kind, Tens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10,045 | Rake 0
Board: [7c Td 9h 3c 2c]
Seat 1: teabagger357 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: ryman70 showed [Tc Ts] and won (10,045) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 3: forboon showed [Jd Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: DAVE101GAHAN folded before the Flop
Seat 5: bigchuck59 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: soapnyoureye (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: dannyboy0203 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: klodi folded before the Flop
Seat 9: DANYLSON93 folded before the Flop

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syphilaids;229298 wrotewhat, you're goign to sit around and wait for KK?

I allways open raise with 77+ from any position, as long as its unopened.
You have no reason to believe you don't have the best hand. If you get called, you can re-evaluate.

Back to the TT spot.
I am folding this hand somwhere between NEVER and NEVER. you have 20bbs. I'm raising / shipping here almost all the time unless villian is a nit.
EDIT: I'm also raising about 3-4bbs. Make it hard for villians to call, and let them know you're serious. I really see no reason to ship, as I personally don't mind a call.

If I get called I cbet often say 75% of the time. I think the only time i'm not cbetting is flops like AKJ, 567 one suit, KQ8, etc. but it's all villian dependant. On a 567 one suit against LAG tard ill probably C/R, but I really don't want a call here.

TT>90% of hands out there. You have to play it with your stack.

in early position yes im waiting for a premium hand.

77-99 will flop 2 over cards 35% of the time, 1 40%, and none 13%. i don't believe you can push through that without spewing most of the time, especially with more than one caller. And against any preflop re raise you can't possible think your ahead.

and a contination bet will sometimes get a fold but i think alot of times will get a call, and i serously think you cannot fire another bullet under very many circumstances at all