Rush Tournaments

Wetts1012

I played one of these yesterday. I doubt I will play one again while I am multi tabling but they are (imo) the most exploitable form of MTT currently.

1) Knowing: Most people quick fold until they get a nut hand.

I decided I would open every single hand.

I decided I would fold every time I got 3bet. (maybe getting exploited by some people using the same theory but w/e).

I decided I would 3bet every single time it was opened on me in the blind.

I decided I would fold every time there was a 4bet shove.

With 1500 starting stacks I got to 16K showing down very little.

Doubled up to ~35K QQ > 1010.

Busto QQ < AK for about 3x buyin.

I dont know what my point is, but this is definately the game where optimal game theory can be exploited huge, at an accelerated level for an MTT.

Discuss......

moose

Yeah I play basically the same way. Also when you pay the BB is based on time not # of hands so quick play is rewarded with extra hands without paying the blinds. I auto 3 bet from the button and cutoff a lot too when someone opened.

Pokertracker was working for the cash rush game but it doesn't seem to work in the tourneys?

jdAA88

Interesting analysis, this was the first hand I played in a rush tourney so I got tilted and was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU rush:
Poker hand played on PartyPoker with a pot size of $4,345 - Pokerhand.org

Definitely gunna try some more out though.

jdAA88

moose;225040 wrotePokertracker was working for the cash rush game but it doesn't seem to work in the tourneys?

yeah it won't work with rush donkaments, maybe because there is a bigger pool of players?

actyper

Tried it a couple sundays ago, terrible move. Can only 2 table max if I play one of these again.

Wetts1012

moose;225040 wroteAlso when you pay the BB is based on time not # of hands so quick play is rewarded with extra hands without paying the blinds.

Is this true for both cash and MTT, or just cash?

moose

Yeah you need to play fast or else you pay the BB too often. Multi-tabling kills you.

GTA Poker

what's your 3bet sizing? are you saying you 3 bet only steals or EP raises as well?

Wetts1012

Heres a random hand sequence from somewhere in the mid stages. Lots of text warning. I dont give much credit to any PF bets TBH. The only thing to pay attention to is opening stack sizes.

Full Tilt Poker Game #20354407779: Turbo $10K Guarantee (Rush) (156161063), Table 387 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:18:42 ET - 2010/04/25
Seat 1: mikeschipz (8,810)
Seat 2: daddypapa (3,928)
Seat 3: Allin3323 (6,210)
Seat 4: Spasms (4,538)
Seat 5: connorman7 (3,690)
Seat 6: Wetts1012 (10,155)
daddypapa posts the small blind of 50
Allin3323 posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [Qc 9d]
Spasms folds
connorman7 folds
Wetts1012 raises to 300
mikeschipz folds
daddypapa folds
Allin3323 folds
Uncalled bet of 200 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (250)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 250 | Rake 0
Seat 1: mikeschipz (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: daddypapa (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Allin3323 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Spasms didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: connorman7 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Wetts1012 collected (250), mucked

Full Tilt Poker Game #20354452022: Turbo $10K Guarantee (Rush) (156161063), Table 360 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:20:12 ET - 2010/04/25
Seat 1: g-bo 4 life (2,565)
Seat 2: Wetts1012 (12,240)
Seat 3: theSauceMakr (2,145), is sitting out
Seat 4: Weil00002 (3,710)
Seat 5: racejunkie (3,615)
Seat 6: Keutche (4,665)
Wetts1012 posts the small blind of 60
theSauceMakr posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [9d 6h]
Weil00002 folds
racejunkie has 8 seconds left to act
racejunkie folds
Keutche folds
g-bo 4 life has 8 seconds left to act
g-bo 4 life folds
Wetts1012 has 8 seconds left to act
Wetts1012 raises to 360
theSauceMakr folds
Uncalled bet of 240 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (240)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 240 | Rake 0
Seat 1: g-bo 4 life (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Wetts1012 (small blind) collected (240), mucked
Seat 3: theSauceMakr (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Weil00002 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: racejunkie didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Keutche didn't bet (folded)

Full Tilt Poker Game #20354463529: Turbo $10K Guarantee (Rush) (156161063), Table 442 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:20:36 ET - 2010/04/25
Seat 1: fofto27 (4,911)
Seat 2: theSauceMakr (2,025), is sitting out
Seat 3: Wetts1012 (12,360)
Seat 4: iM8kUrSeatEmpty (4,920)
Seat 5: AceWPT (6,210)
Seat 6: twiggyluck (5,137)
theSauceMakr posts the small blind of 60
Wetts1012 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [8s Jc]
iM8kUrSeatEmpty folds
AceWPT folds
twiggyluck raises to 240
fofto27 folds
theSauceMakr folds
Wetts1012 raises to 840
twiggyluck folds
Uncalled bet of 600 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (540)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 540 | Rake 0
Seat 1: fofto27 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: theSauceMakr (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Wetts1012 (big blind) collected (540), mucked
Seat 4: iM8kUrSeatEmpty didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: AceWPT didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: twiggyluck folded before the Flop

Full Tilt Poker Game #20354472754: Turbo $10K Guarantee (Rush) (156161063), Table 432 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:20:54 ET - 2010/04/25
Seat 1: Wetts1012 (12,660)
Seat 2: paulscot1 (6,374)
Seat 3: MOLOT882 (7,990)
Seat 4: twiggyluck (4,837)
Seat 5: MeaLOwNz (3,065)
Seat 6: crowderplant (5,355)
paulscot1 posts the small blind of 60
MOLOT882 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [2d 6s]
twiggyluck folds
MeaLOwNz folds
crowderplant folds
Wetts1012 raises to 360
paulscot1 folds
MOLOT882 folds
Uncalled bet of 240 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (300)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 300 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Wetts1012 (button) collected (300), mucked
Seat 2: paulscot1 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: MOLOT882 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: twiggyluck didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: MeaLOwNz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: crowderplant didn't bet (folded)

Full Tilt Poker Game #20354502133: Turbo $10K Guarantee (Rush) (156161063), Table 354 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:21:55 ET - 2010/04/25
Seat 1: Plata (4,180)
Seat 2: EBeaster (4,616)
Seat 3: timmydogs12 (2,345), is sitting out
Seat 4: viper31573 (6,495)
Seat 5: Tilty11 (3,947)
Seat 6: Wetts1012 (12,840)
EBeaster posts the small blind of 60
timmydogs12 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [7c 9s]
viper31573 folds
Tilty11 folds
Wetts1012 raises to 360
Plata folds
EBeaster raises to 4,616, and is all in
timmydogs12 folds
Wetts1012 folds
Uncalled bet of 4,256 returned to EBeaster
EBeaster mucks
EBeaster wins the pot (840)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 840 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Plata (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: EBeaster (small blind) collected (840), mucked
Seat 3: timmydogs12 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: viper31573 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Tilty11 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Wetts1012 folded before the Flop

GTA Poker

Wetts1012;225080 wroteHeres a random hand sequence from somewhere in the mid stages. Lots of text warning. I dont give much credit to any PF bets TBH. The only thing to pay attention to is opening stack sizes.

Full Tilt Poker Game #20354407779: Turbo $10K Guarantee (Rush) (156161063), Table 387 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:18:42 ET - 2010/04/25
Seat 1: mikeschipz (8,810)
Seat 2: daddypapa (3,928)
Seat 3: Allin3323 (6,210)
Seat 4: Spasms (4,538)
Seat 5: connorman7 (3,690)
Seat 6: Wetts1012 (10,155)
daddypapa posts the small blind of 50
Allin3323 posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [Qc 9d]
Spasms folds
connorman7 folds
Wetts1012 raises to 300
mikeschipz folds
daddypapa folds
Allin3323 folds
Uncalled bet of 200 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (250)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 250 | Rake 0
Seat 1: mikeschipz (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: daddypapa (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Allin3323 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Spasms didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: connorman7 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Wetts1012 collected (250), mucked

Full Tilt Poker Game #20354452022: Turbo $10K Guarantee (Rush) (156161063), Table 360 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:20:12 ET - 2010/04/25
Seat 1: g-bo 4 life (2,565)
Seat 2: Wetts1012 (12,240)
Seat 3: theSauceMakr (2,145), is sitting out
Seat 4: Weil00002 (3,710)
Seat 5: racejunkie (3,615)
Seat 6: Keutche (4,665)
Wetts1012 posts the small blind of 60
theSauceMakr posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [9d 6h]
Weil00002 folds
racejunkie has 8 seconds left to act
racejunkie folds
Keutche folds
g-bo 4 life has 8 seconds left to act
g-bo 4 life folds
Wetts1012 has 8 seconds left to act
Wetts1012 raises to 360
theSauceMakr folds
Uncalled bet of 240 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (240)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 240 | Rake 0
Seat 1: g-bo 4 life (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Wetts1012 (small blind) collected (240), mucked
Seat 3: theSauceMakr (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Weil00002 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: racejunkie didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Keutche didn't bet (folded)

Full Tilt Poker Game #20354463529: Turbo $10K Guarantee (Rush) (156161063), Table 442 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:20:36 ET - 2010/04/25
Seat 1: fofto27 (4,911)
Seat 2: theSauceMakr (2,025), is sitting out
Seat 3: Wetts1012 (12,360)
Seat 4: iM8kUrSeatEmpty (4,920)
Seat 5: AceWPT (6,210)
Seat 6: twiggyluck (5,137)
theSauceMakr posts the small blind of 60
Wetts1012 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [8s Jc]
iM8kUrSeatEmpty folds
AceWPT folds
twiggyluck raises to 240
fofto27 folds
theSauceMakr folds
Wetts1012 raises to 840
twiggyluck folds
Uncalled bet of 600 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (540)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 540 | Rake 0
Seat 1: fofto27 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: theSauceMakr (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Wetts1012 (big blind) collected (540), mucked
Seat 4: iM8kUrSeatEmpty didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: AceWPT didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: twiggyluck folded before the Flop

Full Tilt Poker Game #20354472754: Turbo $10K Guarantee (Rush) (156161063), Table 432 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:20:54 ET - 2010/04/25
Seat 1: Wetts1012 (12,660)
Seat 2: paulscot1 (6,374)
Seat 3: MOLOT882 (7,990)
Seat 4: twiggyluck (4,837)
Seat 5: MeaLOwNz (3,065)
Seat 6: crowderplant (5,355)
paulscot1 posts the small blind of 60
MOLOT882 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [2d 6s]
twiggyluck folds
MeaLOwNz folds
crowderplant folds
Wetts1012 raises to 360
paulscot1 folds
MOLOT882 folds
Uncalled bet of 240 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (300)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 300 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Wetts1012 (button) collected (300), mucked
Seat 2: paulscot1 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: MOLOT882 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: twiggyluck didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: MeaLOwNz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: crowderplant didn't bet (folded)

Full Tilt Poker Game #20354502133: Turbo $10K Guarantee (Rush) (156161063), Table 354 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:21:55 ET - 2010/04/25
Seat 1: Plata (4,180)
Seat 2: EBeaster (4,616)
Seat 3: timmydogs12 (2,345), is sitting out
Seat 4: viper31573 (6,495)
Seat 5: Tilty11 (3,947)
Seat 6: Wetts1012 (12,840)
EBeaster posts the small blind of 60
timmydogs12 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [7c 9s]
viper31573 folds
Tilty11 folds
Wetts1012 raises to 360
Plata folds
EBeaster raises to 4,616, and is all in
timmydogs12 folds
Wetts1012 folds
Uncalled bet of 4,256 returned to EBeaster
EBeaster mucks
EBeaster wins the pot (840)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 840 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Plata (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: EBeaster (small blind) collected (840), mucked
Seat 3: timmydogs12 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: viper31573 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Tilty11 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Wetts1012 folded before the Flop

seems like pretty standard 6max play -- I guess the benefit is that you can do it all game as noone will ever catch on

westside8

actyper;225054 wroteTried it a couple sundays ago, terrible move. Can only 2 table max if I play one of these again.

FWIW...I started playing 2-3 tables of the RUSH cash tables recently, instead of just playing 1 rush + a bunch of other tables. It's quite fun to join the player pool multiple times and just multi-table within the same player pool. 3 is basically max I can play now...I think I can max out at 4 if I play more often but that is pretty much the absolute max without timing out alot.

Wetts1012

GTA Poker;225083 wroteseems like pretty standard 6max play -- I guess the benefit is that you can do it all game as noone will ever catch on

This exactly. Its not exploitable because nobody ever catches on.

Richard~

Wetts1012;225103 wroteThis exactly. Its not exploitable because nobody ever catches on.

hehe, just made a note to open every one of your blinds and 4 bet ship ATC...oh wait, maybe I shouldn't have said that <.< These tournaments are gonna make regulars metagame the hell out of themselves

T8urmoney

Played one on Sunday....along with 5 other MTT's......didn't work good, don't think I'll play again. Did the tournament take a shorter time to run than a normal one?

Richard~

Doing one right now, I'm doing pretty well sitting 4/19 or wtv but it sure takes a lot out of you after 4 hours or whatever. Structure is great, plenty of 100BB play

BiiLLY

Wetts1012;225057 wroteIs this true for both cash and MTT, or just cash?

im pretty sure the tourneys are time, while cash is # of hands.

The tourneys are different to punish people trying to stall on the bubble.

altruist

Wetts1012;225037 wroteI played one of these yesterday. I doubt I will play one again while I am multi tabling but they are (imo) the most exploitable form of MTT currently.

1) Knowing: Most people quick fold until they get a nut hand.

I decided I would open every single hand.

I decided I would fold every time I got 3bet. (maybe getting exploited by some people using the same theory but w/e).

I decided I would 3bet every single time it was opened on me in the blind.

I decided I would fold every time there was a 4bet shove.

With 1500 starting stacks I got to 16K showing down very little.

Doubled up to ~35K QQ > 1010.

Busto QQ < AK for about 3x buyin.

I dont know what my point is, but this is definately the game where optimal game theory can be exploited huge, at an accelerated level for an MTT.

Discuss......

What do you do when you get cold called? cont bet?

philliivey

Some good lines in this,lolol, there is swearing, so don't have kids in the room while viewing;)

YouTube - RUSH poker bad beats.

Vekked

didn't read any other responses but rush tourns are death. they seem to add a lot of value in rebuys tho, prizepools seem to get huge so idk. I don't wanna play more than 1 at a time w/ other tourneys, takes so much focus away from everything else.

DennisG

What program is he running in that Rush vid PHili posted? Bottom of his screen..is that just a replayer?