Am I a prick???

JimmyHo

Well I was playing my usual Saturday 1/2 game and the following hand came up:

Straddle for $5 and there are four callers when it gets to me on the button with A4off. I call and both SB and BB call. Flop comes 448. Checked around to me and I bet $25 hoping for a caller. The BB calls and the rest of the table folds. The turn brings a 10. BB checks so I also check. The river is a 4, so I have the nut quad 4s.

Here is where it gets interesting. BB comes out with a bet of $5. I look at him and say, "your kidding right?". He doesn't say anything. I look really annoyed at the bet and say I am all-in for $400, he has about $200 behind. He does a double take and asks the dealer if I just said I am all-in. He looks at his cards and he appears to be about to muck. I flip over my ace and tell him to fold if he can't beat an ace. He then starts to think and I know I have him on the edge of calling. I tell him again that his $5 bet was weak and he is slowing down the game so just fold so we can move on to the next hand because obviously I have him beat. He then looks really ticked off and pushes all his chips in the middle. I flip over the nut 4 and he turns beat red and gets a full rack of $5 chips ($500) and goes on major tilt. He then starts complaining that I shouldn't have shown a card (the house rule is heads-up showing your cards is allowed).

Do you think any of my comments were uncalled for? Do you think this type of edging a player on is part of the game or bad 'sportsmanship'?

DrTyore

Not illegal...

Not an angle shoot. A little more aggressive than your average patter, but i've seen worse.

Of course, I thought those guys were pricks...

Mark

Milo

:D

It's all I can think of right now . . .

Well, that and how, if this were the States, you might have eaten a bullet.

JimmyHo

DrTyore;222483 wroteNot an angle shoot.

so what kind of comments would have been more of an 'angle shoot'?

DrTyore

Angle shoot is cheating IMO

Can't remember the thread, and I couldn't find it, but I remember someone did one at the CNE couple years back, and was shocked when everyone called him an angle shooter...

I'd consider this an angle shoot - even though it's not QUITE outside the rules

Mark

DrTyore

Oh.. here it is...

http://www.pokerforum.ca/f7/play-wrong-cne-16843/

Mark

Richard~

I like anything that exploits the egos of (preferably drunk) white guys at the poker table

DrTyore

Richard~;222493 wroteI like anything that exploits the egos of (preferably drunk) white guys at the poker table

Hang on...

Have we met?

Mark

jdAA88

I think it's fine, nh luckbox!

moose

drtyore/pokerJah. Thanks for the thread resurrections. Both good threads.

syphilaids

ok seriously, this is angling. IMO, showing a card is the biggest form of angling but if its allowed in the game, why the hell not do it?

I don't think angling should be disallowed, and I don't think it is cheating as long as there's guidelines. If the villian tells you to shut up then do so. If he tries to read through your speech then either player can benefit from it. By trying to angle here you're also giving up information.

As a side note, that speech is angling, you are a prick/asshole/gayporn but it was fracking awesome dude! You pwned him here, I wouldn't be ashamed, but 100 years ago you would have been shot. In reality, only donks or tilt monkeys get owned by speeches.

Wetts1012

syphilaids;222512 wrote In reality, only donks or tilt monkeys get owned by speeches.

LOL. I was thinking this. Your speech auto tells me you have the super nut.

I guess I underestimate how bad some people really are, which is why I never talk. Burning money I suppose.....

GTA Poker

pokerJAH;222482 wroteWell I was playing my usual Saturday 1/2 game and the following hand came up:

Straddle for $5 and there are four callers when it gets to me on the button with A4off. I call and both SB and BB call. Flop comes 448. Checked around to me and I bet $25 hoping for a caller. The BB calls and the rest of the table folds. The turn brings a 10. BB checks so I also check. The river is a 4, so I have the nut quad 4s.

Here is where it gets interesting. BB comes out with a bet of $5. I look at him and say, "your kidding right?". He doesn't say anything. I look really annoyed at the bet and say I am all-in for $400, he has about $200 behind. He does a double take and asks the dealer if I just said I am all-in. He looks at his cards and he appears to be about to muck. I flip over my ace and tell him to fold if he can't beat an ace. He then starts to think and I know I have him on the edge of calling. I tell him again that his $5 bet was weak and he is slowing down the game so just fold so we can move on to the next hand because obviously I have him beat. He then looks really ticked off and pushes all his chips in the middle. I flip over the nut 4 and he turns beat red and gets a full rack of $5 chips ($500) and goes on major tilt. He then starts complaining that I shouldn't have shown a card (the house rule is heads-up showing your cards is allowed).

Do you think any of my comments were uncalled for? Do you think this type of edging a player on is part of the game or bad 'sportsmanship'?

I think that's one of the only decent plays you've ever made. Now please post the hand where you fold KK preflop to his steam shove.

GTA Poker

syphilaids;222512 wroteok seriously, this is angling. IMO, showing a card is the biggest form of angling but if its allowed in the game, why the hell not do it?

Showing a card HU is in no way angle shooting.

JimmyHo

GTA Poker;222531 wroteI think that's one of the only decent plays you've ever made. Now please post the hand where you fold KK preflop to his steam shove.

you would have loved the hand where I showed a card to prove I didn't have a flush, then after this resulted in a call, I proceeded to flip over the other card to produce the boat. Man, was she steamed.

If it was drama you wanted all these years, you should have just asked :)

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betting $5 into a pot like that is the prick move here. i can never understand why people do this, all it does is show they have no concept of the game. I would of added "you know we're playing poker here right?" glad you caught him like this, i don't think i could help myself from harassing him for the rest of the session. I play online though, but if i had a few in me that kind of situation would likely get me kicked out of the room.

"if i didn't show you my ace, you wouldn't have called with such a stupid hand"

GTA Poker

pokerJAH;222544 wroteyou would have loved the hand where I showed a card to prove I didn't have a flush, then after this resulted in a call, I proceeded to flip over the other card to produce the boat. Man, was she steamed.

If it was drama you wanted all these years, you should have just asked :)

She, even better

JimmyHo

darbday;222548 wrotebetting $5 into a pot like that is the prick move here. i can never understand why people do this

I always hate the $5 bet into a big pot (have seen this done with much bigger pots); I have used it personally on a few occations against certain players. There is one guy I play against once in a while, I know it really ticks him off so when I have the nuts, I will throw out $3 (1/2) and he will always come over the top for 2 x pot.

syphilaids

GTA Poker;222532 wroteShowing a card HU is in no way angle shooting.

How is not angle shooting?

Quoted from Moose:
A player miscalling a hand with the intent to cause another player to act on their hand risks forfeiture of the pot and/or expulsion from the Poker Room.

Showing a card kinda does this.

STR82ACE

syphilaids;222579 wroteHow is not angle shooting?

Quoted from Moose:
A player miscalling a hand with the intent to cause another player to act on their hand risks forfeiture of the pot and/or expulsion from the Poker Room.

Showing a card kinda does this.

NOT if the club rules says it doesn't.