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moose

$75 KO tourney on tilt.

blinds 60/120
UTG, 5/5/N/A for 20 hands raises UTG to 300
midposition flats, he is pretty loose 50/23/2.50 22 hands
BB 19/10/2, 21 hands

Everyone folds to me. WWYD?

Seat 1: Chachi4 (12,273)
Seat 2: Singapore Sline (5,949)
Seat 3: pekkio68 (3,063)
Seat 4: mogilly (18,111)
Seat 5: Icecrusher69 (2,568)
Seat 6: tom marriot (6,655)
Seat 7: acab7 (8,300)
Seat 8: cdnmoose2 (7,855)
Seat 9: lcky4leafclover (10,862)
lcky4leafclover posts the small blind of 60
Chachi4 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cdnmoose2 [Qc Qs]
Singapore Sline raises to 300
pekkio68 folds
mogilly calls 300
Icecrusher69 folds
tom marriot folds
acab7 folds
cdnmoose2 has 15 seconds left to act
cdnmoose2 raises to 1,560
lcky4leafclover folds
Chachi4 raises to 2,820
Singapore Sline folds
mogilly folds

Hobbes

Tough spot.
I think I fold here. that 3rd raise really narrows down his range and the min raise is pretty gross tbh.

Flatting and re-evaluating the flop since you have position would not be the worst either so long as you can let go when the BB jams and you have an over pair.

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I pay to see flops with ladies, and bet ont he flop pending whats there...

I never jam them, those stupid bitches.

Id lay those down in that spot.

moose

Yes I was going to call this thread, WWHD.

Uh if I flat my stack is less than the pot so who folds on the flop.

Hobbes

moose;215837 wroteYes I was going to call this thread, WWHD.

Uh if I flat my stack is less than the pot so who folds on the flop.

Missed that. ooops.

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Just saw that you changed the format of HH... its easier to understand now..

in all honesty, i think the villian has a PP as well, and probably lower then yours...

Call the flop, and see what happens...

what did u do?

Wetts1012

Calling is terrible, unless your plan is to shove on any flop. Folding is a little bit less.

Your bet looks a lot like a squeeze, so it may be exploitable by a wider range if villain is a thinker.

I put it in, but dont feel great about it.

Wetts1012

equity win tie
Hand 0: 47.366% 45.79% 01.58% { QcQs }
Hand 1: 52.634% 51.06% 01.58% { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

Based on whats already in there you have the equity to get in now even if hes not exploiting a potential squeeze.

moose

Wetts1012;215847 wroteequity win tie
Hand 0: 47.366% 45.79% 01.58% { QcQs }
Hand 1: 52.634% 51.06% 01.58% { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

Based on whats already in there you have the equity to get in now even if hes not exploiting a potential squeeze.

Thanks. I didn't count jacks, so I'll have to rerun it and see what I get. Anything but the tight guy raising UTG, or even in a later position and I shove but the BB isn't fucking around with worse than QQ in this situation. I really doubt he is min raising AK 4 handed either. I believe he knows he has it here and is hoping that one of the 3 of us shoves.

I'll have to run the players as well and see how good they are.

PokerKai

You kinda put yourself in this spot with the bad pf 3bet size. If you make it T1100, its 800 to the initial PFR and the coldcaller which isnt enough to set mine or take a flop with a single overcard. If you feel like you can fold this hand PF somewhere, then you should be making it so the stack sizes allow you to get away. At this point, youve kinda committed yourself by overraising.

As played its a call.

Wetts1012

PokerKai;215849 wroteYou kinda put yourself in this spot with the bad pf 3bet size. If you make it T1100, its 800 to the initial PFR and the coldcaller which isnt enough to set mine or take a flop with a single overcard. If you feel like you can fold this hand PF somewhere, then you should be making it so the stack sizes allow you to get away. At this point, youve kinda committed yourself by overraising.

As played its a call.

This all make sense to me except calling. We overcommitted already, why is call > shipping. What is the plan on the flop in this case, given that we have a PSB left?

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what is villains 3 bet preflop %?

jdAA88

Yeah as played, no way I'm flatting the 4bet...get it in here.

moose

I don't get how making a bet of 1560 when my stack is 7855 is over committing. The pot is 760, I make it 1100, UTG is calling 800 into an 1800 pot, getting better than 2:1, never mind the loose midpos player. I see what you are saying that 1100 gives the players more of a chance to make a mistake but I'm not sure I want action behind me or a 3 way flop.

moose

darbday;215858 wrotewhat is villains 3 bet preflop %?

In 20 hands? Hmm lets, say one time? and he's min 4 betting.

ReefAquarium

moose;215834 wrote$75 KO tourney on tilt.

blinds 60/120
UTG, 5/5/N/A for 20 hands raises UTG to 300
midposition flats, he is pretty loose 50/23/2.50 22 hands
BB 19/10/2, 21 hands

Everyone folds to me. WWYD?

Seat 1: Chachi4 (12,273)
Seat 2: Singapore Sline (5,949)
Seat 3: pekkio68 (3,063)
Seat 4: mogilly (18,111)
Seat 5: Icecrusher69 (2,568)
Seat 6: tom marriot (6,655)
Seat 7: acab7 (8,300)
Seat 8: cdnmoose2 (7,855)
Seat 9: lcky4leafclover (10,862)
lcky4leafclover posts the small blind of 60
Chachi4 posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cdnmoose2 [Qc Qs]
Singapore Sline raises to 300
pekkio68 folds
mogilly calls 300
Icecrusher69 folds
tom marriot folds
acab7 folds
cdnmoose2 has 15 seconds left to act
cdnmoose2 raises to 1,560
lcky4leafclover folds
Chachi4 raises to 2,820
Singapore Sline folds
mogilly folds

Why are people saying, "Call"

Calling creates a pot that 2820+2820+600+300+60=6600

Moose's stack will be less than that...7855-2820=5035

Do you really thing call fold is a viable play?

Wetts1012

moose;215861 wroteI don't get how making a bet of 1560 when my stack is 7855 is over committing. The pot is 760, I make it 1100, UTG is calling 800 into an 1800 pot, getting better than 2:1, never mind the loose midpos player.

Its an overcommit situationally. Its irrelevant if you're planning on getting it in preflop. Bet whatever you want.

However, if youre worried about having to make a decision if someone behind you shoves (like now), its an overbet because you cant fold and have it be a profitable 3bet.

Richard~

Wetts1012;215866 wrote However, if youre worried about having to make a decision if someone behind you shoves (like now), its an overbet because you cant fold and have it be a profitable 3bet.

This is pretty much what I thought as well, as played I still shove rather than get into a guessing game of what small 4bets mean... cause I'll never win that guessing game

Edit: Just gonna be really really obvious and say that there is some extra $EV because of the bounty as well

PokerKai

Wetts1012;215852 wroteThis all make sense to me except calling. We overcommitted already, why is call > shipping. What is the plan on the flop in this case, given that we have a PSB left?

sorry, typo...its a ship. not a call.

oh...but if you were out of position and had first action on the flop HU, its a call, and ship any flop.

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moose;215862 wroteIn 20 hands? Hmm lets, say one time? and he's min 4 betting.

im never sure if i make up numbers and what they mean, but has he played only 5% of twenty hands and hes three bet once and has now min raised a 4 bet? with that and if its a bounty (i don't know your site).