AK early in an MTT

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Wetts1012;213951 wroteVillain has been described as good, tight and agressive.

What hands in his range that 3bet jams this flop are you ahead of?

You chop AK, crushed by A10, A7, sets, flipping with 89dd. Maybe you beat AQ/AJ occasionally.

You think hes doing this with 89off? KK? flush draw? Acerag? With his image?

Doubt it.

ya i think kk aq ak, if hes that good i think he would play the set slower, but im playing lower buy in games, if the read is correct its a lay down, but i try not to give people to much credit.

Wetts1012

darbday;213974 wroteya i think kk aq ak, if hes that good i think he would play the set slower, but im playing lower buy in games, if the read is correct its a lay down, but i try not to give people to much credit.

Look at the action preflop. Villain is last to act behind a 6BB raise and 2 calls.

A good TAG has KK or AK exactly never. There is always a 3bet here.

And hes definately not shoving KK on that flop to a Hobbes reraise.

Tilter

I could see villain donklead bet inducing a raise so s/he can 3bet jam a monster draw. As you do not hold the Ad, an AdXd hand could easily be in villains range as well as other hands like 9d8d. But villain could also be betting a hand like 77 and possibly TT (altho a good player would raise to iso the limper in position post-flop) because they don't want to let a freecard off on a draw heavy board.

For you question about jamming to the initial donk lead, the reason you raise is to allow the villain to jam wider than their calling range is against your jam.

Did you considering flatting, because like how you feel now, when you get 3 bet jammed out, you feel like puking a bit.

Imo, raise with a plan. And if my plan was to raise, I'd be calling it off.

HammerDad

Not sure if anyone thinks along these lines, but I sometimes play my big draws this way.

He could have KQ/KJ/QJd or possibly even 89d, considering the limp call. Given the lower blind level, all those hands are playable to a standard raise.

Edit - Just above Above's post and agree, there is also a good chance you are up against the nut flush draw, him limp/calling with like A9/AJd.

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are we waiting for the result in this or, its not getting posted?

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shoving still ftw.

Hobbes

darbday;215018 wroteare we waiting for the result in this or, its not getting posted?

Timebanked and folded. Figured I would find a better spot as I was still deep (~90BB). Unfortunately went card dead or kept showing up with 2nd best hand.

DennisG

Tilter;214914 wroteI could see villain donklead bet inducing a raise so s/he can 3bet jam a monster draw. As you do not hold the Ad, an AdXd hand could easily be in villains range as well as other hands like 9d8d.

HammerDad;215017 wroteNot sure if anyone thinks along these lines, but I sometimes play my big draws this way.

He could have KQ/KJ/QJd or possibly even 89d, considering the limp call. Given the lower blind level, all those hands are playable to a standard raise.

Edit - Just above Above's post and agree, there is also a good chance you are up against the nut flush draw, him limp/calling with like A9/AJd.

Is my perception of TAG way out to lunch? I don't see KQ, KJ, QJ, A9 suited or otherwise, limp-calling here oop preflop....

HammerDad

DennisG;215029 wroteIs my perception of TAG way out to lunch? I don't see KQ, KJ, QJ, A9 suited or otherwise, limp-calling here oop preflop....

I consider myself pretty tag, and I would definitely limp-call with 98 suited or any of the above hands.

1. if he is good, or if it was me, I feel my flop play is good enough to play these sorts of hands knowing that we aren't playing for 1 pair, but for strong draws. Ax/KQ/KJ/QJ/98d are either a slight favourite or barely a 52/48 dog, with the worst odds being for Ax as he is already dominated as maybe a 55/45 dog;

2. calling a standard raise at this blind level the raise isn't going to cause us substantial damage to our if we miss the flop and have to fold to a cbet; and

3. if he was going to be heads up with OP, and feels OP is also fairly TAG, 98suited should definitely be in his range. If villain feels OP range of hands is A10 or better, or most PP, playing suited connectors is the optimum hand to play, as the chances of being dominated are reduced; and

edit 4 - there are lots of implied odds with the other limpers in the pot.

I am not solely suggesting that villain had 98 or what not compared to a set or 2 pair already. But I would think it should be in his range. I am leaning towards hands like QJd or 1010 personally.

OP could jam there having top pair, a back door straight and a back door flush draw to the second nut flush if he is against a set. But I wouldn't jam as I am not going to jam as my hand is pretty much a bluff.

I would call flop reevaluate turn.

DennisG

HammerDad;215057 wroteI consider myself pretty tag, and I would definitely limp-call with 98 suited or any of the above hands.

if you are going to limp-call...is it not better to raise oop?

1. if he is good, or if it was me, I feel my flop play is good enough to play these sorts of hands knowing that we aren't playing for 1 pair, but for strong draws. Ax/KQ/KJ/QJ/98d are either a slight favourite or barely a 52/48 dog, with the worst odds being for Ax as he is already dominated as maybe a 55/45 dog;

hands like Ax, KQ, KJ, QJ are easily dominated by our TAG villians range are they not? Which is why we don't play them out of position???

I personally like 89s & 910s as well, when in position..

Am I putting too much emphasis on position this early on in the game with stacks this deep?

HammerDad

DennisG;215090 wroteif you are going to limp-call...is it not better to raise oop?

At this level, I am trying to see a flop as cheap as possible. Also, not knowing the tables dynamics, it may have been pretty passive and he figured he may try to get a cheap pot.

hands like Ax, KQ, KJ, QJ are easily dominated by our TAG villians range are they not? Which is why we don't play them out of position???

Which is also a reason we don't build a pot unnecessarily OOP. If we raise with the described hands, we are building a pot and most hands that call us, have us crushed. Playing some passive small-ball may allow us to see a flop as cheap as possible and go for our draw. Like I said, when I play that hand that early, I am going for big draws or better (obviously). 1 pair is not what I want.

I personally like 89s & 910s as well, when in position..

Am I putting too much emphasis on position this early on in the game with stacks this deep?

I like it BETTER in position. But we have to be able to play hands like these OOP too, so that we can't be pinned to a certain range.

As for this hand, I wouldn't call the shove as I can't see many hands the villain rolls over that we can fist pump too. We are either crushed by a set, drawing thin to two pair or a back door draw or we are in a coin flip against a massive draw. Too much sweating to be done.

syphilaids

Rough. If its a rebuy i'd ship based on the LAGtards out there.
Seeing as you know the villian, he's not shipping lightly. Why would he ship AQ-AJ there? it makes no sense. This whole line reeks of sets, I'd make the same play, donk lead with an A out there hope to induce a raise then ship.

Good fold.

AKTOR_

Am thinking he had pocket 7's and doesn't want a flush caller. Have a set, bet a set.

Especially into a pre flop raiser with A and 10 on flop. Surely the raiser has at least one of those.

I would have only called his 240, keep the not small early and see what happens on the turn.

Wanita1

I would fold it. Sounds like you know how the guy plays. He may have had AK as well and was trying to protect the pair but by the sound of it he likely had a set. If he did have AK, with a bet at the flop and a re-raise, being a tight player he probably would have just called.

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