Richard~;209690 wroteProblem is that a10o is neither a hand you win big pots with, nor is it a hand that plays well multiway. If you run your hand in pokerstove against 3 or four other hands you'll see that you're really not even a favorite anymore, even if you have the biggest ace.
I ran it through Pokerstove, with elaine at 25%, which I think is very fair knowing her how I do.. and 3 randoms, which I also think is quite fair given the table at the time. And I still come out over 50%
darbday;209700 wrotei don't like this at all but ive been reprimanded on this forum many times. first you called a raise with medicore cards out of position in a multiway pot. Then you put your tourney life on the line with top pair medium kicker. And you had plenty of life in you.
Top pair, and what I am pretty sure is best kicker...there is something to be said for "tournament life"..and maybe this is my downfall...I don't know..but seriously..wtf? This is a 55 buck game..with still over 2 hours of play left in it. I guess, I should also mention this tourney also only pays the top 5...very top heavy. 25? or so players left. Again, my thoughts run along the lines of "go big or go home". I can join another if I get booted on this one..I would rather show up to the bubble bigger stack than mediocre or small...does that lend any credence to my thought pattern or am I still way off base?
when i enter a hand it is generally in position. And i raise to put people on their toes, get a little info and push others out of the pot. when i get a caller it polarizes there hand slighty for me. they know i'm tight and only play good hands. position helps me in the streets. when i hit the flop it is at the very least top pair top kicker. i believe all this puts me well over 50% to win when i decide to shove.
Position doesn't matter here I didn't feel, it was a shove or check-fold flop in my mind. And yes, I like to play in position as well.
id say about 1 in 3 times you will lose your tournament life in an unnecessary fashion.
I get 5x my investment (my 1050) if everyone folds, which is 50% of the time
I get 3x my stack if I get a caller and win which is 25% of the time
I get zero and go home 25% of the time
75% chance of gaining a healthy chunk, no?
Someone help me here if I am out to lunch....
and ill point out that you basically justified russian roulette, you can't know from this someone didn't slow play aj+, you have no idea if there are made sets or even two pair. with more people in the pot it is just more likely. and i don't think you can assign random hands to people who called the preflop raise.
I had a very strong feel no one else had a big ace...or the hand wouldn't have happened the way it did...I would have folded. They play very ABC poker it seems and again, have always raised with bigger aces. I don't see why I can't assign random hands to a bunch of limpers??? I would have been more concerned had the flop been better coordinated...the only thing that concerned me was the flush draw...and that was part of the reason for shoving...so they have improper odds.. I could have bet half pot sure..they still wouldn't have odds, but then I am committed anyway..
Thanks for the discussion on this, and yeah, I know I am defending my thoughts...but I really need to see where/why they are wrong with what I "thought" I felt at the time..