NL hand...

MickeyHoldem

Here's a fun 5/10NL hand for everyone to dissect!

Currently 9 handed:
UTG ~$1200 solid abc player
LP ~$1000 fuming LAG just reloaded after getting stacked
Cut-off ~$3200 LAG (just stacked LP)
HERO (Button) ~$1600 (Image LAG)

Dealt to HERO QsTs

Utg calls $10, fold, fold, fold, LP raises to $50, CO calls, hero calls, blinds fold, utg calls.

Flop ($215) Ks 9c 4s*

Check, check, check to me! *wtf??

HERO bets $120, utg raises to $400, LP calls, CO calls...

HERO ???!

The only thing in my head at this point was, "You stupid f@&k, why didn't you f@&kin' check?"

JimmyHo

MickeyHoldem;204912 wroteThe only thing in my head at this point was, "You stupid f@&k, why didn't you f@&kin' check?"

I think the same thing about once a session; not sure I like your flush draw anymore. what are these guys calling with (and not raising)? at this point, you either push or fold as you know UTG is coming out large on the turn anyways.

Graham

I am not sure I see any of the other players on a flush draw here based on how you described them (but someone could be holding something like As9s). A push wouldn't be so bad as CO would probably lay it down and possibly LP, but I think its pretty much a coinflip and you are either up against a set, 2 pair or top kicker. Its pretty much a gamble at this point and since you aren't heavily invested its probably best to just let it go.

GTA Poker

LAG players are shoving the nut flush draw -- UTG range likely set or AK/AA on that board. I shove assuming there is dead money in the pot and that a set has some counterfeited outs with all the callers (assuming your described player reads are correct and that you have the appropriate bankroll for the game).

blackmagicz

(thinking outloud)

I discount 99 and KK, AK from UTG range because I assume a solid player would open with those cards.

I think the way the hand has played out the solid player is on some sort of draw or 44 max. The way the hand is played (everyone limped then called after LP action) it looks like the solid player is trying to use his table image to his advantage but his line preflop doesn't make any sense. I don't see a solid player wanting to play KK or 99 in a multiway pot.

I put him maybe on AJs thinking that because LP checks and you lead out, LP airballed the flop and he can steal the pot with a check raise but still has outs if you do call.

GTA Poker

blackmagicz;204930 wrote(thinking outloud)

I discount 99 and KK, AK from UTG range because I assume a solid player would open with those cards.

I think the way the hand has played out the solid player is on some sort of draw or 44 max. The way the hand is played (everyone limped then called after LP action) it looks like the solid player is trying to use his table image to his advantage but his line preflop doesn't make any sense. I don't see a solid player wanting to play KK or 99 in a multiway pot.

I put him maybe on AJs thinking that because LP checks and you lead out, LP airballed the flop and he can steal the pot with a check raise but still has outs if you do call.

I misread the preflplop action -- I discount KK but not 99...an abc player will just setmine with this hand...abc players also tend to check call draws no matter how big the draw...so unless he is not abc I don't put him on a flush draw...tight abcs will just play AK as fit or fold on the flop unless forced into a different decision preflop...again, I rule-out the nut flush draw or pair and flush-draw hands from LAGs as they would shove with this much dead money sitting out there

MickeyHoldem

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MickeyHoldem

Ok... here's what I was thinking after I got done kicking myself!

Utg has to have a set... most likely 44 and never KK.

LP is more difficult to narrow down, and at the time the only thing I could think of was a small flush draw, maybe suited connectors that he raised pre-flop with? But why call half your stack and not just push? meh?

I can't figure CO either. They both have to know that utg most likely has a set... so why get strung along with a sh!tty draw.

F@&k it... I pushed!

...and damn it.... EVERYONE calls!

$5400 in the main & side pots

Turn Ah

River 9d

And the CO turns over 99!

Let me just say that $7000 in chips (in green and reds) is a very impessive stack!

F@&k!!!

Utg had 44 and of all thing LP had AcKc (can you say tilt with a capital T)

Why couldn't someone re-raise utg and give me a way out!

GTA Poker

MickeyHoldem;204988 wroteOk... here's what I was thinking after I got done kicking myself!

Utg has to have a set... most likely 44 and never KK.

LP is more difficult to narrow down, and at the time the only thing I could think of was a small flush draw, maybe suited connectors that he raised pre-flop with? But why call half your stack and not just push? meh?

I can't figure CO either. They both have to know that utg most likely has a set... so why get strung along with a sh!tty draw.

F@&k it... I pushed!

...and damn it.... EVERYONE calls!

$5400 in the main & side pots

Turn Ah

River 9d

And the CO turns over 99!

Let me just say that $7000 in chips (in green and reds) is a very impessive stack!

F@&k!!!

Utg had 44 and of all thing LP had AcKc (can you say tilt with a capital T)

Why couldn't someone re-raise utg and give me a way out!

Why do you want out of that pot with all the dead money out there? I'm too lazy to read my previous post, but I think I said UTG has a set (vs AK/AA) and some of his full house cards are counterfeited and that your draw is live with noone on the nut flush draw. You got your money in completely correctly. I'm not sure on your read of 99 as a LAG...doesn't seem that way to me, a LAG shoves that spot assuming he will get action from his table image

MickeyHoldem

Just wanted out after the fact... It's easy to be results oriented when you drop 1600 in 60 seconds!! Lol!!

JimmyHo

nice smooth call by CO on the flop; it just got better and better for him once you pushed.

blackmagicz

Good grief I wish I was this lucky to flop top set against another set tptk, and a straight draw/flush draw.....then hit quads on the river....and have everyone shoving.....

WOW...OP stay in that game forever :)

GTA Poker

pokerJAH;205001 wrotenice smooth call by CO on the flop; it just got better and better for him once you pushed.

not really a good smooth call, you want all the money in on the flop even if noone has a flush draw a heart on the turn kills the action... the hand pretty much plays itself postflop...the only one that should have easily folded was AK

T8urmoney

Yeah, just a sick hand...the only way I don't lose my stack is by folding preflop......but I'm probably rarely folding there.

give 5 fu's and click 'reload'

JimmyHo

if co pushes Mickey, what is your play?