fbckicksass
moose;199995 wroteBecause they suck.
:redface:
moose
No dude. It's not your fault you get stacked by morons who want to commit their entire stack with 107 preflop. Just type yplc - you play like crap and move on.
Your big problem is you overcommit yourself to hands. Why shove your entire stack with KK for 1900 to a 100 min raise? You didn't really want the guy to fold did you? If you knew he was a moron and was going to call, it was a great play but most often that is a dumb shove, most reasonable players would fold to a bet like that. Reraise to something like 250, build a pot, and control the pot on the flop. You want to get your opponent committed to the pot and call when behind, not commit yourself to the pot unnecessarily.
fbckicksass
moose;199998 wroteNo dude. It's not your fault you get stacked by morons who want to commit their entire stack with 107 preflop. Just type yplc - you play like crap and move on.
Your big problem is you overcommit yourself to hands. Why shove your entire stack with KK for 1900 to a 100 min raise? You didn't really want the guy to fold did you? If you knew he was a moron and was going to call, it was a great play but most often that is a dumb shove, most reasonable players would fold to a bet like that. Reraise to something like 250, build a pot, and control the pot on the flop. You want to get your opponent committed to the pot and call when behind, not commit yourself to the pot unnecessarily.
Thanks for the post.
I do overcommit...I take your points!!
I'm not sure why I do it, but will certainly go over it in head. Say goodbye to sleep.
Richard~
I guess you should fold more postflop until you get better .-. Are you playing 6max? I'd play at least 18 man full ring in order to make more money and not just finish itm a lot of the times.
Don't know if this example will help but I think it illustrates a leak that many low stakes players have when it comes to overcommiting:
Let's say you have JJ in middle position, blinds are 25/50 and you each have about 2000 chips. Someone limps in from your right and you raise it up to 200. BB and the limper calls.
Flop comes K86 rainbow.
BB checks and limper bets 400 into a 650 pot (in which you have 200 invested). Note that chipwise here, making a bad call once here with cost you as much as folding in this spot twice. At the same time, making a bad push here will cost you as much as a about 4 bad calls here, just saying.
But whatever, we're not folding here but we're definitely not raising. So we call and BB folds.
Turn is makes the board k8610.
Now, pot is 1450 and you have about and you have 1500 left in your stack. If villain makes an "I mean buisness" bet here I'll either fold since I give him a king, or shove here since I think he's an idiot. Anyway, this is probably where I fold if he bets.
Let's say villain checks it to you, you should consider checking. Villain may have a hand like, 910 drawing to 8 outs or A8 drawing to 5 outs... Or you're crushed and looking for only five cards in the deck if he has a king. Also, say you check and the river is fairly safe. Villain may decide that his pair of tens or eights is good making it much better to call down or shove river than call down or shove turn (unless he's gonna draw to 8 outs for his whole stack).
Learn to read river bets a bit maybe, small bets may mean he's scared and holding middle pair or something, if you think he does you probably shouldn't bluff him with worse, he's often stubborn and will call you down even if you raise but consider making slim valueraises.
When villain has a big hand he will often make it between 3/4's of a pot and a whole pot. This big bet is usually dangerous so watch out a bit for it.
My favorite part is when villain goes even bigger though, it's very dependent on the player but if he betson more than a pot on let's say a QQ5106 board he's doing something called polarizing his range. This means that he's either going to have everything, or nothing. He might have a queen, or he might have something like KJ, point is he's not gonna bet this big if he has a 10 so if you would call him down with a 10, you might even consider calling with worse like 88 or A6. Conversily if you don't think he's bluffing, you're folding something like Q7.
(Never be afraid to give your opponent an oppertunity to bluff, when I face 3bet happy people I often see other players adjusting by shoving huge stacks into them, that's a mistake. Just hit the call button if they 3 bet and watch their stacks magically disappear. Don't be afraid of giving your opponent a chance to bluff in other words, the call button is the remedy for that)
Hope some of this made sense, I guess the simplest way to put it is that if you overcommit, try undercommitting a little bit until you find balance in your game ^^' GL getting better.
blackmagicz
Hand 1 - raise on the button don't call
Hand 2 - Nothing you can do you are short....
Hand 3 - 56 off suit is not a call in that position.
The key with 6max sit and goes is that you shouldn't be calling unless you have a monster, and you should be 3-betting more unless you face resistance. Keep in mind with 6 max games it is harder for people to have quality hands so if you are able to put more money in preflop with AX and even sometimes KX when you have position you can easily C-bet when it is checked to you and take down the pot.
From these posts it looks like you are getting into ego battles with people at the table and at this level people are playing there hands face up for the most part and they will bet when they have a hand...and monotone flops are easy steal opportunities when it is checked around to you.
SuitedPair
Don't talk at the table. Read the chat, don't contribute. you give away a tonne of info. They are not your friends. they are the enemy. Talk here.
If you have money in the pot.....it's not yours anymore. Make your decision based on the money you will have to put in to continue. if you think your hand is beat on the flop/turn/river and the other guy won't go away when you bluff....give it up. it's not money lost it is money saved.
A previous poster said that SnG should be tight early and loose later. Some people will say the exact opposite. Aggressive early when others are playing tight..... I don't have the answer to this one but just want to make sure you know there are differences in style out there.
Good luck. and good thread. thanks for starting it and keeping it going
fbckicksass
SuitedPair;200031 wroteDon't talk at the table. Read the chat, don't contribute. you give away a tonne of info. They are not your friends. they are the enemy. Talk here.
If you have money in the pot.....it's not yours anymore. Make your decision based on the money you will have to put in to continue. if you think your hand is beat on the flop/turn/river and the other guy won't go away when you bluff....give it up. it's not money lost it is money saved.
A previous poster said that SnG should be tight early and loose later. Some people will say the exact opposite. Aggressive early when others are playing tight..... I don't have the answer to this one but just want to make sure you know there are differences in style out there.
Good luck. and good thread. thanks for starting it and keeping it going
Some really good points, cheers.
I have read here, took some advice and have placed in the last two sng's that i have played in. And was the bubble boy in two more.
fbckicksass
Played two more tonight, of the $2 variety.
I busted out of one and came in second in the other.
I owe you guys a coffee.
STR82ACE
fbckicksass;200052 wrote
I owe you guys a coffee.
COFFEE?!?!??! Damnit, I said 40%!!!!
Lots of great advise here, and a lot of fun to participate. Sometimes you may need a thick skin, but its all about making you a better player. Keep up the good work, look for areas to improve on, and be sure to ask here when you run into something that makes you go ugh.
This is a game of constant change, and you'll be required to change along with it. Don't be afraid to experiment, and don't let the bad beats boil your blood too much.
fbckicksass
STR82ACE;200055 wroteCOFFEE?!?!??! Damnit, I said 40%!!!!
Lots of great advise here, and a lot of fun to participate. Sometimes you may need a thick skin, but its all about making you a better player. Keep up the good work, look for areas to improve on, and be sure to ask here when you run into something that makes you go ugh.
This is a game of constant change, and you'll be required to change along with it. Don't be afraid to experiment, and don't let the bad beats boil your blood too much.
%20 of my $5.20 winnings is roughly $2 so we'll make it a coffee and a doughnut.
SuitedPair
Sweet. I'll take the coffee, Str8 can have the doughnut.....was up till 3AM....not playing poker....
fbckicksass
Was a bit tired, so played a $1 game. Came in first place!
Kristy
read op..best advice ever: Ignore any advice given to you on this site.
You're welcome.
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compuease
Kristy_Sea;200127 wroteread op..best advice ever: Ignore any advice given to you on this site.
You're welcome.
Kind of a circular reference isn't it? Does this include yours? :)
fbckicksass
Full Tilt Poker Game #15534722135: $1 + $0.20 Sit & Go (113910329), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:31:53 ET - 2009/10/23
Seat 1: fbckicksass (1,500)
Seat 2: Timmo1654 (1,500)
Seat 3: ndlax419 (1,500)
Seat 4: Al-Gator1960 (1,500)
Seat 5: magdalenchen19 (1,500)
Seat 6: osfalt (1,500)
Seat 7: Curisuty (1,500)
Seat 8: salimam (1,500)
Seat 9: skjab (1,500)
fbckicksass posts the small blind of 15
Timmo1654 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fbckicksass [5h 6s]
ndlax419 folds
Al-Gator1960 has 15 seconds left to act
Al-Gator1960 has timed out
Al-Gator1960 folds
Al-Gator1960 is sitting out
magdalenchen19 folds
osfalt folds
Curisuty folds
salimam has 15 seconds left to act
salimam calls 30
skjab calls 30
fbckicksass calls 15
Timmo1654 checks
*** FLOP *** [5c 9d 6h]
fbckicksass bets 120
Timmo1654 folds
salimam folds
skjab calls 120
*** TURN *** [5c 9d 6h] [5s]
fbckicksass checks
skjab checks
*** RIVER *** [5c 9d 6h 5s] [6d]
fbckicksass has 15 seconds left to act
fbckicksass checks
skjab bets 360
fbckicksass raises to 720
skjab raises to 1,350, and is all in
fbckicksass calls 630, and is all in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
skjab shows [9c 9s] a full house, Nines full of Sixes
fbckicksass mucks
skjab wins the pot (3,060) with a full house, Nines full of Sixes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,060 | Rake 0
Board: [5c 9d 6h 5s 6d]
Seat 1: fbckicksass (small blind) mucked [5h 6s] - a full house, Sixes full of Fives
Seat 2: Timmo1654 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: ndlax419 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Al-Gator1960 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: magdalenchen19 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: osfalt didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Curisuty didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: salimam folded on the Flop
Seat 9: skjab (button) showed [9c 9s] and won (3,060) with a full house, Nines full of Sixes
philliivey
fbckicksass;200169 wroteFull Tilt Poker Game #15534722135: $1 + $0.20 Sit & Go (113910329), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:31:53 ET - 2009/10/23
Seat 1: fbckicksass (1,500)
Seat 2: Timmo1654 (1,500)
Seat 3: ndlax419 (1,500)
Seat 4: Al-Gator1960 (1,500)
Seat 5: magdalenchen19 (1,500)
Seat 6: osfalt (1,500)
Seat 7: Curisuty (1,500)
Seat 8: salimam (1,500)
Seat 9: skjab (1,500)
fbckicksass posts the small blind of 15
Timmo1654 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fbckicksass [5h 6s]
ndlax419 folds
Al-Gator1960 has 15 seconds left to act
Al-Gator1960 has timed out
Al-Gator1960 folds
Al-Gator1960 is sitting out
magdalenchen19 folds
osfalt folds
Curisuty folds
salimam has 15 seconds left to act
salimam calls 30
skjab calls 30
fbckicksass calls 15
Timmo1654 checks
*** FLOP *** [5c 9d 6h]
fbckicksass bets 120
Timmo1654 folds
salimam folds
skjab calls 120
*** TURN *** [5c 9d 6h] [5s]
fbckicksass checks
skjab checks
*** RIVER *** [5c 9d 6h 5s] [6d]
fbckicksass has 15 seconds left to act
fbckicksass checks
skjab bets 360
fbckicksass raises to 720
skjab raises to 1,350, and is all in
fbckicksass calls 630, and is all in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
skjab shows [9c 9s] a full house, Nines full of Sixes
fbckicksass mucks
skjab wins the pot (3,060) with a full house, Nines full of Sixes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,060 | Rake 0
Board: [5c 9d 6h 5s 6d]
Seat 1: fbckicksass (small blind) mucked [5h 6s] - a full house, Sixes full of Fives
Seat 2: Timmo1654 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: ndlax419 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Al-Gator1960 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: magdalenchen19 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: osfalt didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Curisuty didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: salimam folded on the Flop
Seat 9: skjab (button) showed [9c 9s] and won (3,060) with a full house, Nines full of Sixes
beat bad, i hate when that happens, but i like the flop bet, you checking the river was odd, but in this case the result would have been the same:)
STR82ACE
Not a bad beat. He had you from the getgo. Still, when the river hit, you were losing everything you had.
SuitedPair
compuease;200137 wrote [quoting kristy]Kind of a circular reference isn't it? Does this include yours? :)
oh snap!
Kristy
compuease;200137 wroteKind of a circular reference isn't it? Does this include yours? :)
jontm
They have all answered well, my advice is to use sharkscope to check your roi often. If you are newer, any positive number is good. I was told to shoot for 10%.
Then play, play and play some more. Don't worry about good and bad runs and play till your blue in the face, caring only if you are making postive strides in roi. SNG play is a numbers game, soon you won't think as much about losing 4-5 in a row if you cash deep in a few and end up still ahead.
Tight early, aggresive the shorter the table gets works, around the bubble consistently.
Also look at the article Betfair? put up on the law of diminishing returns, it really sells the idea of using chips as raising tools later in the game and taking less chances when you hit resistance.............