What's your line here?

Richard~

Fairly deep in a 20k gt 5 dollar tourney with 5700 entrants. I'll post more once I hear some thoughts

PokerStars Game #30682382010: Tournament #180540214, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2009/07/20 22:54:08 CET [2009/07/20 16:54:08 ET]
Table '180540214 253' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: talon ian (19407 in chips)
Seat 2: natrysk (127106 in chips)
Seat 3: DIGIPAGES (71101 in chips)
Seat 4: IRichardI (44196 in chips)
Seat 5: chipsmcbluff (64621 in chips)
Seat 6: deproduction (68648 in chips)
Seat 8: HRM767 (36052 in chips)
Seat 9: Darmac45 (34803 in chips)
talon ian: posts the ante 200
natrysk: posts the ante 200
DIGIPAGES: posts the ante 200
IRichardI: posts the ante 200
chipsmcbluff: posts the ante 200
deproduction: posts the ante 200
HRM767: posts the ante 200
Darmac45: posts the ante 200
IRichardI: posts small blind 1000
chipsmcbluff: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IRichardI [:10c :10h]
deproduction: folds
HRM767: calls 2000
Darmac45: folds
talon ian: folds
natrysk: folds
DIGIPAGES: folds
IRichardI: raises 4000 to 6000
Hawinho88 is connected
chipsmcbluff: folds
HRM767: calls 4000
*** FLOP *** [:kh :ah :4h]

screenman

I put him on A or K high kicker. Test with a half pot bet. Reraise = fold.

JohnnieH

screenman;193828 wroteI put him on A or K high kicker. Test with a half pot bet. Reraise = fold.

[x] Good Advice

Wetts1012

Goddamn flash.

What are the wholecards and flop?

JohnnieH

Wetts1012;193831 wroteGoddamn flash.

What are the wholecards and flop?

Richard has pocket 10s (club, heart)

The flop was Ace, King, Four all hearts.

DennisG

He limp - calls this deep, without any history on him I would think he has a small to medium pair. A half pot bet should take it if he didn't play Axs, and even then, suit shouldn't match so he should be easily pushed off..but, that being said..it is a 5 buck game..lol We bet half pot..6500ish? that is more than 25% of our chips in the middle. How far is the bubble? Is he aggressive enough to make an all in move if you bet half pot? Is he capable of folding a weak ace?

blackmagicz

Raise more pre-flop, defines villians hand a bit more. Here you give villian implied odds to call with a random assortment of cards. Figure pot size at that point is ~8000. 10s are not really a good hand to see a flop with OOP, however in blind vs blind, you have to figure:

1. If he has AK/AQ and maybe AX he would be re-shoving unless he is trapping you

2. More likely he is calling with J10, KQ, QJ, or small PP

3. Cause he called your bet, which wasn't that big on the flop we can probably figure out he has hit a pair (which one I have no clue) or he has the J or Q of hearts and is looking to peel. I tend to think he may be trying to draw, just because you c-bet weak and it looks like you had AX or KX and were hoping to take it down on the flop.

Richard~

Hmm, I seem to have lost the HH but as everyone already knows I messed up. I decided to c/r him as the pot was limped thinking that he'd lay down weaker aces or kings but as it turned out he was limping AJs leaving me with only the FD which I missed

Did I outlevel myself here by thinking that if he had a big ace he'd raise pre and if he hit a set he would bet bigger than he did trying to prize out draws? (I was fairly new to the table but I had a decent read on villain as a scared player).

Do we ever c/r here? I don't like the idea of turning my pretty hand with a nice FD into a bluff. I guess if it's optimal it's optimal since I don't like going broke either but I can't say I like it much. Then again maybe that's because I'm somewhat of a tilted donkey who loves to take down every pot this deep in tournaments ^^'

Richard~

Ihaveyourname;193847 wroteHe limp - calls this deep, without any history on him I would think he has a small to medium pair. A half pot bet should take it if he didn't play Axs, and even then, suit shouldn't match so he should be easily pushed off..but, that being said..it is a 5 buck game..lol We bet half pot..6500ish? that is more than 25% of our chips in the middle. How far is the bubble? Is he aggressive enough to make an all in move if you bet half pot? Is he capable of folding a weak ace?

Good post, it's a lot of the things that went through my head at the time although I might be a bit too greedy trying to get his bet in first before taking him off the pot. We're past the bubble and no major money jumps coming up anytime soon. I don't have many reads on him except that he seems like an extremely scared player.

Wetts1012

Richard~;193852 wrote
Do we ever c/r here? I don't like the idea of turning my pretty hand with a nice FD into a bluff. I guess if it's optimal it's optimal since I don't like going broke either but I can't say I like it much. Then again maybe that's because I'm somewhat of a tilted donkey who loves to take down every pot this deep in tournaments ^^'

I dont think at this point in this game its optimal.

Villain has to be capable of laying down toppair, which just doesnt happen in these games.

I also dont like "betting for information" on the flop. This is giving away chips - and alot of them. Half pot bet is commiting 1/4 of your stack.

Youre in a check fold situation.

Check shove if you feel like gambling.

Richard~

Wetts1012;193854 wrote Youre in a check fold situation.

Check shove if you feel like gambling.

It was extremely rare on this table to see a flop go by without someone betting but I guess it really is a check fold since I don't know what kind of folds he's capable of making. It kinda sucks but I guess that's that.

Does anyone think betting bigger pre would make a difference with 10's in this spot?

I really like the feedback on this hand since I feel I'm going broke way too much with middle to high pairs when an overcard hits. My hand is just so pretty I try to find ways to win with it way more than I probably should

Wetts1012

Richard~;193855 wroteIt was extremely rare on this table to see a flop go by without someone betting but I guess it really is a check fold since I don't know what kind of folds he's capable of making. It kinda sucks but I guess that's that.

Does anyone think betting bigger pre would make a difference with 10's in this spot?

I really like the feedback on this hanId since I feel I'm going broke way too much with middle to high pairs when an overcard hits. My hand is just so pretty I try to find ways to win with it way more than I probably should

With a limper I make it 8500 - 9K pre.

If the flop is A97 or K83 I am c-betting all day.

This flop = no good for you.