Banned for Collusion

Johnith

Well my FTP account got banned for collusion. The player they say i collude with is a player i play with frequently, however we play agaisnt each other. We play at the lowest stakes together just for fun. My account has a large sum of money and im not sure what my options are for getting it back. Has anyone dealt with this before? I know FTP support is horrible... Im wrongly banned and i have alot of money going down with my account..... ugh this is horrible! I emialed FTP and asked to speak to a representitive on the phone.... but im thinking my chances of getting my cash back are slim... Does anyone have experiance in this manner or can help me fight this? thanks to anyone who can help!

NoVeLTeK

I really doubt your ever gonna get your money back, how much did you have on there?

How were you wrongly banned? you were colluding with your friend and got busted. I doubt your gonna be able to convince them otherwise..

jdAA88

Yeah, definitely sounds like you actually were colluding....how much money do you actually have on there?

Wetts1012

You dont get banned without proof, which is why I appreciate the fact that FTP and Stars have significant security departments.

Hope you didnt have plans for the money, because you will never see it again.

And to answer you question, no.

Johnith

okay so i was playing at 5/10 c with my friend.... We never told each other our cards. I am a 1/2 player and had a bankroll of 2k. When playing with my friend i would do "stupid plays" and give him some money because to me playing at 5/10c is nothing. It was just fun and games for me and my buddy to play together. So because i do some suspicious play i loose 2k!? This is madness! Fulltilt poker also refuses to send me proof, their support team just sends emails saying "Our decision is final and your funds are seized!"

Johnith

one more question. Does fulltilt now share this info with the other poker sites? I guess because of some dumb play at 5/10cent im screwed from online poker.. UGH.

jdAA88

lol at being a 200NL player with a 2k roll

cadillac

[ ] OP stated that his entire bankroll was on FT

jdAA88

When he mentioned that he's now "screwed from online poker" I'm pretty sure that implies that that's all the money he had online.

Graham

Johnith;189953 wroteThis is madness!

Ok, I had to..

YouTube - This is Sparta

As for what you can do, they must have had pretty significant amounts of data to show that you were colluding. They wouldn't just seize funds without being 100% sure that you were doing this to cheat other players out of their money. Sure, I could be wrong, but at this point it looks like you cheated and got caught. Even though the stakes were small, if you were making odd plays with other people involved in hands to chip dump to your friend, you still were stealing.

If that is not right and you are 100% sure that no people lost money as a result of your plays, then I suggest you find a lawyer. Sometimes a simple lawyers letter will help get them to fix the problem. $2k really isn't worth going to trial over, but you could try going through Kahnawake and filing a complaint. They license Full Tilt and I have heard some people have success going this route.

If you believe you are 100% innocent, you can also Pitch a Bitch at casino meister. If you are on rakeback, talk to your rakeback affiliate also.

That should give you a start of some places to go.

Johnith;189954 wroteone more question. Does fulltilt now share this info with the other poker sites? I guess because of some dumb play at 5/10cent im screwed from online poker.. UGH.

Decisions like this are site specific. But that doesn't mean go and collude on other sites.

wildbill7145

First the guys says he plays "against" his buddy, then says he dumps chips to him. Whether it's one cent or a thousand bucks, it's still cheating. I'm sure the other players at the tables wouldn't agree that "it's nothing".

I love when people put stories like this up on forums. As the story unravels, the holes always appear and the grim details unfold.

Graham

wildbill7145;189961 wroteFirst the guys says he plays "against" his buddy, then says he dumps chips to him. Whether it's one cent or a thousand bucks, it's still cheating. I'm sure the other players at the tables wouldn't agree that "it's nothing".

I love when people put stories like this up on forums. As the story unravels, the holes always appear and the grim details unfold.

If it is only at heads up games, he should have his friend contact them and say he was not cheating, but just playing some games for fun.

STR82ACE

Johnith;189953 wroteWhen playing with my friend i would do "stupid plays" and give him some money

BUSTED!! GUILTY!! No further discussion needs to be done here, move along

Johnith;189953 wrote So because i do some suspicious play i loose 2k!?

Again, yep...even YOU have admitted it now.

Johnith;189953 wrote Fulltilt poker also refuses to send me proof, their support team just sends emails saying "Our decision is final and your funds are seized!"

They're not going to send you documents you already have. They will have the hand histories of both your accounts, as well as any logs from any IM service you were using.

Madness? Maybe. Should have read the site rules, huh?

Graham...very disturbing video...please don't

Graham

STR82ACE;189964 wroteGraham...very disturbing video...please don't

Hahaha

One other thing to add, FTPs security isn't that good and I suspect they found this because someone complained. I doubt it was your friend, so it looks like you cheated people and got caught. Live with the consequences. Your money is hopefully being distributed amongst the players that you cheated.

wildbill7145

Every now and again...Just to check out the competition Graham....I check out the FTP forums.....Just to look of course....

On almost a daily basis, there's someone on there whining about having their account closed for stuff like this. It's incredible. Same story plays out over time. "I'm shocked! I've done nothing wrong! I'm innocent!!"....drags on to "I didn't really cheat. It was only a little bit....it didn't mean much".

Not sure if that means their security is good or bad. They sure seem to catch alot of people on there. Maybe they need more proactive security. Not sure how you'd do that.

LanterneRouge

Johnith;189953 wrote... i was playing at 5/10 c with my friend ... i would do "stupid plays" and give him some money ...

... Fulltilt poker also refuses to send me proof ...

As far as I know, Full tilt does not offer heads-up tables at the $0.05/0.10 level. You were playing at a 6-10 player table with your friend. Even if it was just the two of you when you first sat down, at such low levels, the table would have more-or-less filled in no time. So you've admittedly chip dumped to your friend (against the rules regardless) which increased his stack size which potentailly changed the way other players at your table had to play against him.

$0.05/0.10 may be an inconsequential level to you, but it is a meaningful playing level for many others. They won't appreciate you f***ing around with their game and you only need to come across one player who will be pissed off enough to take 2 minutes out of their day to contact customer services and, as you now know, your whole role (/ability to ever play on that site again) is gone forever.

I find it somewhat hard to believe that Full Tilt "refuses to send [you] proof". Based on what you've said, I think hard proof does exist. However, it would be very unreasonable (and a bad public relations move) for Full Tilt to confiscate anyone's funds without providing detailed proof of wrongdoing. You should ask them for multiple specific hand numbers (only applies if the hands went to showdown) and/or their full hand logs with the hole cards of both yourself and your friend shown. Once you get them, please post them here (you should delete your friend's player ID and can delete your own as well).

Did your friend also have his roll confiscated?

wildbill7145

I don't know Lantern, from the grumbling I've seen on the FTP forum you pretty much get what this guys describes (i.e. a brief email stating you've been banned for collusion). They don't send you the hand histories or much else detailing the proof they have. Which is interesting in itself. You wouldn't even get a chance to see what evidence was used to convict you. Sounds kind of Guantanamo Bayish.

liquidfire

You got owned. +2000$ for fulltilt. Nh

LanterneRouge

wildbill7145;189975 wroteI don't know Lantern, from the grumbling I've seen on the FTP forum you pretty much get what this guys describes (i.e. a brief email stating you've been banned for collusion). They don't send you the hand histories or much else detailing the proof they have. Which is interesting in itself. You wouldn't even get a chance to see what evidence was used to convict you. Sounds kind of Guantanamo Bayish.

That's friggin' brutal. I don't play on FT and I don't follow their forum, so I didn't know that was the norm for them. Guantanamo indeed.

I have, however, recently read one FT ban/confiscate story on twoplustwo in which the guy did received a few collusion-proving hand logs after e-mailing FT Security 3-4 times to demand evidence (which he then posted to the forum).

If OP feels his case is even somewhat in a grey area, I would definitely suggest he not let up until FT provides very specific details.

Wetts1012

Not sure why theres so much discussion here.

It's called chip dumping, and it violates the TOC.

FTP puts this in there specifically so people cant launder money through their website.

You will not see this money again.

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