Loose Passive Aggressive Full Ring

DonkJedi

Just a general strategy question. When faced with a player full ring who plays the loose passive aggressive strategy (PT approximation 75/1/5) or the slightly loose passive aggressive where they are their VPIP is maybe 35 instead I notice that these players are by and large profitable in their play style. I ran an overpair into a player like this on several different occasions, where this player then got paid off with two small pair. I initially felt that I was still ahead on how many folds I got this player to make after forcing him to fold on missed flops. PT however says different and that this player is ahead of me, marginally, after everything is said and done. I have been able to fold to a raise to this type of player based on the information in front of me in the past but I think I am missing something more.

When faced with this type of player what are some good strategies for long term profitability?

Pantsonfire

My two thought are:

1. Raise him pf more often, especially in position. He is obviously playing a wide range. Look for hands that can really hurt him like Axs or Kxs since it looks like he is playing all suited hands. Also play connectors since if he is playing gapped connectors, you will often make a better straight.

2. He may be good postflop so try to get a pattern for his postflop play so you can get away from hands like TPTK. It seems a good scenario is raise preflop in position and make a c-bet very often.

BBC Z

I notice that these players are by and large profitable in their play style.

Is this over a significant sample size (say 1 million hands) or are you just trying to analyse variance/

DonkJedi

PT Database sample size of about 200k hands on PokerStars. Factor in my sporadic play elsewhere for another 50k or so but its to spread out over too many sites otherwise.

One thing I regretfully have been doing is raising too much into these types of players and not getting value on my larger premium hands. Major leak in my game I suspect.

adpro

I had a similar issue with one guy at the table the other day.

He was raising like mad and calling crazy raises. Here's the situation.

I get KK (one was a spade)

I raised pre-flop quite a bit. Everyone but this guy and another guy folds. I knew this was going to happen.

I raise on the flop again - twice the amount I raised pre-flop. I figured I was ahead, but someone could have had a flush. I was last to act, so assumed weakness at the table since everyone else checked. I also had 9 outs to the flush and 2 for a set.

I get one caller.

Next two cards, Q(not spade) K. So, I've got a set.

The other guy raises small, so I represent a flush and raise $1 (0.01/0.02 table, so a decent amount). He calls and turns over 5s7s.

Now, these guys pick up some money, but quickly lose it as well. I was sitting at that table for about an hour and noticed that guy go from like 20 dollars to 2 in that time.

I think he thought he was going to fool everyone and he kept calling bluffs on people, but they didn't end up being bluffs. He would win some big pots by seeing the river all the time, but he really didn't profit from this type of play in the long run. I saw so many other players start playing like him too. So, naturally, I ended up taking a lot of all of their money. It was fun.

Either way, the best way to play against a player like this is to stick to your guns. Play like you should. If you get sucked out sometimes, just brush it off and don't go on tilt. It pays off in the end. Tight-Aggressive is the best in my opinion.

herschelw

Generally I tend to raise to iso that player often when they limp. Also, I think you'll find it very profitable to squeeze when that player flats behind a raise. Postflop I am very reliant on Cbet stats to deal with this type of opponent. Can you post his fold to Cbet, call Cbet, raise Cbet stats please.

ReefAquarium

DonkJedi;161809 wrote When faced with this type of player what are some good strategies for long term profitability?

To beat this type of player (75/1/5) , you need to show him a hand.

Drive the bus to value town preflop, don't let him limp cheaply ...

If the table lets you raise to isolate him, do so.

Never bluff. (almost)