playing AA after several limpers.

westside8

pokerJAH;151391 wroteMy comment was 3-4x BB. In the context of a $7 sng, you may be right. In higher level SNGs or tournaments for that matter, I don't think you need to go much higher that 4x the bb to isolate. Especially early in an SNG when players are still feeling out each other. No right or wrong answer, really player dependant.

When there are already a couple of limpers and a whole table to act, you need to go higher. Otherwise you could still very well end up playing a multi-way pot

GTA Poker

pokerJAH;151391 wroteMy comment was 3-4x BB. In the context of a $7 sng, you may be right. In higher level SNGs or tournaments for that matter, I don't think you need to go much higher that 4x the bb to isolate. Especially early in an SNG when players are still feeling out each other. No right or wrong answer, really player dependant.

Nope, you're wrong. In fact, your wrongness amplifies as you increase the buy-in. No one is going to limp for 1bb and fold for 4bb with almost certain multi-way action in the first round of a sng unless they are clueless -- and you are more likely to find a greater %age of competent players at a $100-$200 table than you are at a $7 table.

Next.

JimmyHo

GTA Poker;151393 wroteNope, you're wrong. In fact, your wrongness amplifies as you increase the buy-in. No one is going to limp for 1bb and fold for 4bb with almost certain multi-way action in the first round of a sng unless they are clueless -- and you are more likely to find a greater %age of competent players at a $100-$200 table than you are at a $7 table.

Next.

now wasn't that easy without all the additional commentary.

I will make a note of this for future reference. Next time I get AA in middle position in a SNG with a couple of limpers, must raise to more than 4x BB. This should do wonders for my ROI.

btw, as an experienced cash game player, what would you recommend in a $1/$2 cash game in the same situation?

JimmyHo

westside8;151392 wroteWhen there are already a couple of limpers and a whole table to act, you need to go higher. Otherwise you could still very well end up playing a multi-way pot

you have the best starting hand in poker, and you are worried about a multi-way pot. God forbid I see a flop with AA and two other players. I might actually have to start playing poker.

Is it really necessary to raise enough to isolate to one other player? I know this is what the books tell us, but is this what poker has become?? A game of predictable moves.

Wetts1012

GTA Poker;151393 wroteNope, you're wrong. In fact, your wrongness amplifies as you increase the buy-in. No one is going to limp for 1bb and fold for 4bb with almost certain multi-way action in the first round of a sng unless they are clueless -- and you are more likely to find a greater %age of competent players at a $100-$200 table than you are at a $7 table.

+1....Made famous by BigChrisEl, this is the overcall.

I think it's important not to compare live to online here. You are not comparing Apples to Apples.

So message to the OP. To me you made the correct play. Irregularity that you didnt get action here

GTA Poker

pokerJAH;151397 wrotenow wasn't that easy without all the additional commentary.

I will make a note of this for future reference. Next time I get AA in middle position in a SNG with a couple of limpers, must raise to more than 4x BB. This should do wonders for my ROI.

btw, as an experienced cash game player, what would you recommend in a $1/$2 cash game in the same situation?

It completely depends on the table and what the standard raises have been and how many callers each raise has been getting. Is there a specific player that you are targetting, etc. There is much more variation in this live than online. I'm not sure if you're referring to a live or online 1/2 game?

cadillac

The stupidity in this thread is tilting me. I'm going away to beat the hell out of myself.

To the people in this thread who have a brain. See you in another thread.

To the rest of you. Pleas get one.

To Pantsonfire. Your avatar makes me LOL

ReefAquarium

The ignore this user option is a wonderful thing.

It keeps blood pressure low, reduces tilt and gets you kinky BDSM dates!

westside8

pokerJAH;151398 wrote Is it really necessary to raise enough to isolate to one other player? I know this is what the books tell us, but is this what poker has become?? A game of predictable moves.

Go ahead and raise to 90 and play this hand against 6 players..and you are playing a $7.50 buy in SnG. ABC Poker goes a long way

JimmyHo

GTA Poker;151400 wroteIt completely depends on the table and what the standard raises have been and how many callers each raise has been getting. Is there a specific player that you are targetting, etc. There is much more variation in this live than online. I'm not sure if you're referring to a live or online 1/2 game?

Exactly, so if the table will fold to a 4xbb raise, 120 raise is the bomb. I only play live these days, so 1/2 live.

JimmyHo

westside8;151407 wroteGo ahead and raise to 90 and play this hand against 6 players..and you are playing a $7.50 buy in SnG. ABC Poker goes a long way

I think this guy wants sound advice based on the situation. If we are giving buy-in specific advice, then why not push with any ace and move on the next SNG? Apparently there is the right way and the 'jah' way on this site. No other forum members see nothing wrong with raising 4x the bb, irrespective of the buy-in? Too many sheep in the herd I guess.

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pokerJAH;151415 wroteI think this guy wants sound advice based on the situation. If we are giving buy-in specific advice, then why not push with any ace and move on the next SNG? Apparently there is the right way and the 'jah' way on this site. No other forum members see nothing wrong with raising 4x the bb, irrespective of the buy-in? Too many sheep in the herd I guess.

As the OP in this thread, I can say that I have a huge problem with a 4x BB raise, as I think it accomplishes nothing but creating a huge pot for me to battle against 5 other hands with.

As GTA said, if I am opening the pot 3 to 4x is standard. With three people limped already plus the big blind, raising 4 times the blind is silly(he may have actually said stupid, I don't recall).

GTA Poker

pokerJAH;151413 wroteExactly, so if the table will fold to a 4xbb raise, 120 raise is the bomb. I only play live these days, so 1/2 live.

I give up, you can't even keep track of which examples you are using for which games and you contradict yourself in 80% of your posts. GL with your game.

g2

GTA Poker;151417 wroteI give up

Thanks for trying GTA. It was entertaining to watch :)

/g2

JimmyHo

GTA Poker;151417 wroteI give up, you can't even keep track of which examples you are using for which games and you contradict yourself in 80% of your posts. GL with your game.

I was referring to your previous post that noted you only played live cash games. So I thought you would comment on this example in a cash game situation. Seems fair to me.

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pokerJAH;151433 wroteI was referring to your previous post that noted you only played live cash games. So I thought you would comment on this example in a cash game situation. Seems fair to me.

Imagine, Kristy thought there would be very little to discuss in this thread.

Can I, as this threads creator, recommend that it be either stickied so we can all LOL at it for months to come.

OR

Order it cast into oblivion.

My question was simply regarding the optimal strategy for playing in this situation. I think a few folks addressed this, and between that and my own thoughts, I feel satisfied that I have learned something here.

I have to say, I did give some thought to limping, and here's why. If you'll notice on the hand history there was a player with about 700 chips left who had just lost a huge pot about two hands earlier(the hand history will not tell you that part). I considered that he might move in an attempt to pick up all that loose money allowing me to crush him. So I do see the value in that play from time to time, however I don't think it was the optimal play here by any means.

Thanks for the input.

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