playing AA after several limpers.

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I've had this situation arise a few times and didn't remember seeing it discussed.

PokerStars Game #17166303685: Tournament #86997830, $7.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/05/03 - 05:16:58 (ET)
Table '86997830 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: DDTroll (1780 in chips)
Seat 2: PotofNutz (1535 in chips)
Seat 3: I_GUTSHOT_U (1595 in chips)
Seat 4: dinocourt (1415 in chips)
Seat 5: Karsten85 (1910 in chips)
Seat 6: pira1887 (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: nickellin (1405 in chips)
Seat 8: RealNikNak (1600 in chips)
Seat 9: NickDenmark (790 in chips)
RealNikNak: posts small blind 15
NickDenmark: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dinocourt [Ad Ah]
DDTroll: calls 30
PotofNutz: calls 30
I_GUTSHOT_U: calls 30
dinocourt: raises 270 to 300
Karsten85: folds
pira1887: folds
nickellin: folds
RealNikNak: folds
NickDenmark: folds
DDTroll: folds
PotofNutz: folds
I_GUTSHOT_U: folds
Uncalled bet (270) returned to dinocourt
dinocourt collected 165 from pot
dinocourt: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 165 | Rake 0
Seat 1: DDTroll folded before Flop
Seat 2: PotofNutz folded before Flop
Seat 3: I_GUTSHOT_U folded before Flop
Seat 4: dinocourt collected (165)
Seat 5: Karsten85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: pira1887 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: nickellin (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: RealNikNak (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: NickDenmark (big blind) folded before Flop

Obviously, I didn't want to discourage all the action. What's my ideal raise here, to encourage weaker hands to fold without killing the action entirely?(knowing that ideally I do want weaker hands to call, just not five of them)

I suppose I should have just folded.

Edit: Sub-question, why am I such a wimp when it comes to post flop play?

Kristy

you already know what the problem is. (but like 120-150?)

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Fair play, I suppose I do know what the problem is.

I guess I was just wondering if there was an optimal bet here. Whether it's 5 or 6 times the blinds like you suggest, or something different.

My raise to 300 put like 445 in the pot, and cost the limpers 270 to call. A raise to 120 would have put 265 in the pot and only 90 to call(2.5 to 1 and increasing if any other player calls)

I guess it's a pretty basic question, it's late and I can't sleep.

Kristy

why don't you want the call?

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Well, mostly due to the sub question in my post, I get antsy with post flop play.

I'm interested to know how others with more experience judge these situations, do they raise less and confidently take more risks with their premium holding, or are they somewhere in between, and can you balance inviting some action without creating pot odds too juicy for an opponent to pass up.

This is important to me also as I rarely play no limit(which I know will only invite your scorn)

Kristy

dinobot;151201 wroteI'm interested to know how others with more experience judge these situations

sick burn. ;)

dinobot;151201 wrote This is important to me also as I rarely play no limit(which I know will only invite your scorn)

yes, yes it will.

that's bizzaro strategy...shouldn't you be better suited to handle post-flop play if you're a limit guy?

cadillac

3 X BB +1BB per Limper = 180

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I go 180 and if checked to me on the flop I bet 500-700 to try and get it all in there vs 1 or 2 players. I'm not folding AA in a step 1 here on the flop. if someone hits a set then so be it.

Kristy

cadillac;151204 wrote3 X BB +1BB per Limper = 180

I know that this is std. and I've never played this tournament...but unless your table is completely donktastic 180 feels like too much.

This could be a style difference: but I'm raising a lot..making a jacks or better tailored bet like 3bb+1bb/limper seems card dependant and will not elicit anything but a set mining call and flop check/fold when missed...

Is it possible that you are looking at how you play your aces when you might be better evaluating how you play your game over all?

I feel like a different approach might yield chips from a middle pair, or some weird calls/shoves pre and post with hands like aqo, ajs when they hit top pair, these hands seem to fit at least the UTG limp-a-thon.

(this is, of course, dependant on having opponents who are not making massive mistakes...if they are POOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!)

cadillac

Yeah you are right, I change my mind. I like a smaller bet so that they can all call and I can play my AA in a 4 or 5 way pot.

Kristy

sarcasm is SOOOOO fucking hot.

God forbid you say something without putting someone down while doing it.

My point stands.

GTA Poker

Kristy_Sea;151209 wroteI know that this is std. and I've never played this tournament...but unless your table is completely donktastic 180 feels like too much.

This could be a style difference: but I'm raising a lot..making a jacks or better tailored bet like 3bb+1bb/limper seems card dependant and will not elicit anything but a set mining call and flop check/fold when missed...

Is it possible that you are looking at how you play your aces when you might be better evaluating how you play your game over all?

I feel like a different approach might yield chips from a middle pair, or some weird calls/shoves pre and post with hands like aqo, ajs when they hit top pair, these hands seem to fit at least the UTG limp-a-thon.

(this is, of course, dependant on having opponents who are not making massive mistakes...if they are POOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!)

I think 150-180 is good -- if you go too small and the first limper calls everyone will likely come along -- not terrible, but not great; I would rather try and pick out the biggest idiot with a bigger raise and isolate him, hoping he hits his J with QJ and going for stacks vs his 5 outer. Players are horrible in the step 1s, so try and exploit it.

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Kristy_Sea;151212 wrotesarcasm is SOOOOO fucking hot.

God forbid you say something without putting someone down while doing it.

My point stands.

I don't think it was sarcasm, I think PokerJah hijacked his account.

Kristy

GTA Poker;151214 wrotePlayers are horrible in the step 1s, so try and exploit it.

I tried to leave an out for that with "if they are making massive mistakes.."

I like your point and am presuming competent play when I suggest the lower amount.

cadillac

Kristy_Sea;151212 wrotesarcasm is SOOOOO fucking hot.

God forbid you say something without putting someone down while doing it.

Stop making it so easy.

beanie42

I think 180 is too much - you want action, so I'd tend more towards Kristy's smaller bet.

However, my actual play might be a little more off-the-wall. You're in early position after a bunch of limpers, with 6 players left to act behind you. Limp. Now you've given the opportunity for a hand like AQ or JJ to make a raise behind you, or an LP player to make a steal. One of the limpers may call the raise (or not), and then you make a big re-raise. If they call, you're in great shape with the best hand - pray you don't get outdrawn. If they fold, you've at least won the dead money plus the raise. And if it gets limped to the flop multi-way, 1 pair is easy to get away from.

While I prefer raising normally, a small raise invites action (probably multi-way) and you have to play out-of-position. A big raise kills the action and you make nothing. So the "weaker" play of going for the limp-raise, while telegraphing your hand, seems to be the most profitable and easiest to play.

compuease

beanie42;151220 wroteYou're in early position after a bunch of limpers, with 6 players left to act behind you. Limp.

Err, how does this work> You're in early position AND you have a bunch of limpers ahead of you? Strange table.. I any case, I don't mind a limp in early position as long as you are fairly certain someone in late position or the blinds may try to steal. If I'm in late position after a number of limpers then I'm going to raise what I think it will take to get 1 or at most 2 callers. That is table and read dependant. With most people I play with I will get a caller anyways so I may as well raise larger... lol.. No one ever believes the tight guy really has Aces, right Kristy....? In this specific instance with no specific reads I'm probably going for $200.

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Kristy_Sea;151209 wrote Is it possible that you are looking at how you play your aces when you might be better evaluating how you play your game over all?

Yes, that is possible, very possible, and I think I could expand the answers I have received here to include a number of hands.

Like I mentioned to you earlier, my play after the flop in no limit poker is what needs the most work.

Thanks for the answers guys.

JimmyHo

I would likely raise 90-120 in this situation. You want some action but not too much.

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pokerJAH;151249 wroteI would likely raise 90-120 in this situation. You want some action but not too much.

So, you think you will get any of the limpers out for 90? Me, I don't.