Guns

Milo

Hellmuth's Mole;324042 wrote

Please tell me you can understand guns pose a bigger threat to the average north american human right now than car bombs and flame throwers.

Guns > car bombs > flame throwers . . . happy? But when will you recognize that the hysterical response to ANY crime involving firearms is out of proportion to the threat they pose to the average Canadian?

Knives/blunt objects (bats, boards with nails, etc.) > guns > car bombs > flame throwers.

At least in this country . . .

The only part of your post that makes real sense is the desire to get to the root causes of these tragedies. I hope you will agree that guns are NOT the root cause, but rather an instrument of that cause.

Hellmuth's Mole

SuperNed;324056 wrotePlease stop swearing.

I can't, I'm soooo mad right now I feel like heading over to Walmart and picking up some guns....oh right, I live in Canada where we have at least a semblance of gun control. I wonder why we do that stupid shit? :rolleyes:

Milo

Hellmuth's Mole;324048 wrote
All the other weapons you list are inherently more difficult to obtain, assemble and deploy than walking into a Wal-mart in the US and buying a gun and ammunition.

I realize this will probably put me on some sort of watch list when the powers that monitor the interwebz read this (:D), but building a decent pipe-bomb, or larger explosive device, is significantly easier to accomplish in Canada than it is to acquire the type of weaponry used in Colorado last night.

Hellmuth's Mole

Milo;324058 wrote
The only part of your post that makes real sense is the desire to get to the root causes of these tragedies. I hope you will agree that guns are NOT the root cause, but rather an instrument of that cause.

Jeezus Milo, of course guns are the instrument. But they are the instrument for killing. Why does the average human numbskull have the right to possess one?

And get over the blunt force trauma BS. If guns were easier to get here we'd blow that stat to kingdom come.

Hellmuth's Mole

Milo;324060 wroteI realize this will probably put me on some sort of watch list when the powers that monitor the interwebz read this (:D), but building a decent pipe-bomb, or larger explosive device, is significantly easier to accomplish in Canada than it is to acquire the type of weaponry used in Colorado last night.

And that's why we have this epidemic of pipe bombs across Canada, UK, Japan, Scandanavia.... *sigh*

You think there's any way that the prevalence of guns in their society is what opens up the channels to further escalation of violence? A gateway of sorts?

SuperNed

Hellmuth's Mole;324061 wroteJeezus Milo, of course guns are the instrument. But they are the instrument for killing. Why does the average human numbskull have the right to possess one?

Why wouldn't they have the right? No matter what happens, the 'bad guys' are going to be able to get/make/blackmarket guns....or some sort of similar weapon. This isn't make believe where weapons of this type can just disappear. I could make a basic gun on a metal lathe in a few hours. Why in your arguement should the law abiding citizens not be able to get guns to protect themselves, hunt etc, but the criminals still will? And yes, I agree there should be stricter laws in the U.S. regarding buying firearms...for the record.

Milo

Hellmuth's Mole;324061 wroteJeezus Milo, of course guns are the instrument. But they are the instrument for killing. Why does the average human numbskull have the right to possess one?

And get over the blunt force trauma BS. If guns were easier to get here we'd blow that stat to kingdom come.

First off, it is NOT bullshit, it is the truth. As for your other comment . . . firearms AREN'T easier to get, and I have no problem with that. What i was getting at is that we need to find out why these folks are losing their nut and deciding they want to kill people, rather than look for simplistic platitudes like Premier Dad was today when he mused about a handgun ban while visiting Danzig Crescent. TRY LOOKING AT OUR LAWS, MR PREMIER !!!

We BOTH know that a handgun ban will NOT stop shootings like what happened earlier this week. Those who constantly bring it up are advocating style over substance.

And no, I am not sure what the answer is, but I know that banning handguns, or bullets, is NOT the answer.

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The same conflict in this thread is the same conflict that causes a person to go postal on randoms.

Milo

Hellmuth's Mole;324062 wrote
You think there's any way that the prevalence of guns in their society is what opens up the channels to further escalation of violence? A gateway of sorts?

I was only pointing out that doing harm on a large scale does not require firearms, or any great technical know-how. Making a pipe-bomb, or something with greater lethality, is not really that complicated.

Look at the evidence up in Barrie, if you need proof. Anybody seen Philli, lately?

Hellmuth's Mole

Milo;324064 wroteFirst off, it is NOT bullshit, it is the truth. As for your other comment . . . firearms AREN'T easier to get, and I have no problem with that. What i was getting at is that we need to find out why these folks are losing their nut and deciding they want to kill people, rather than look for simplistic platitudes like Premier Dad was today when he mused about a handgun ban while visiting Danzig Crescent. TRY LOOKING AT OUR LAWS, MR PREMIER !!!

We BOTH know that a handgun ban will NOT stop shootings like what happened earlier this week. Those who constantly bring it up are advocating style over substance.

And no, I am not sure what the answer is, but I know that banning handguns, or bullets, is NOT the answer.

The incidence of BFT in Canada is only because we make people wait a few days for guns. If we could slow them down from grabbing a bat that number would drop too.

Neither of us KNOW what a hand gun ban would do but unlike you I'd definitely like to see what would happen with one before I dismiss it out of hand....that would be open minded observation.

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darbday;324065 wroteThe same conflict in this thread is the same conflict that causes a person to go postal on randoms.

this means that its all your guys' fault for denying that you are part of the problem, so you become the problem.

Hellmuth's Mole

Milo;324067 wroteI was only pointing out that doing harm on a large scale does not require firearms, or any great technical know-how.

And yet people continually turn to firearms to commit these acts. Hmm.

Milo

Hellmuth's Mole;324068 wrote
Neither of us KNOW what a hand gun ban would do but unlike you I'd definitely like to see what would happen with one before I dismiss it out of hand....that would be open minded observation.

Mole, I would like you to do a little research. Look up how "easy" it is for Joe citizen to acquire a RPAL in this country. Then look up the restrictions that go into how a handgun must be stored, the restrictions on how it must be transported, etc.

As I said before, handguns in this country are effectively banned already, and have been since before WW2. My opposition to an outright ban stems from the fact that I can state without fear of contradiction that such a ban would have virtually zero impact on gun crime in this country. So please, in the spirit of "open-mindedness", do the research and get back to me . . . until then, I am pretty much finished.

Hellmuth's Mole

Milo;324071 wroteSo please, in the spirit of "open-mindedness", do the research and get back to me . . . until then, I am pretty much finished.

Milo, I was going to bash your deductive reasoning skills but upon your suggestion of research, I found it's actually your comprehension that is sorely lacking. My arguments were clearly exposed as US-centric.

Milo

I have already stated that the US could do with some tightening to accessibility, but maintain that it is the psychoses that needs to be treated, not the guns.

Good night . . .

GTA Poker

I'm pretty sure that it's the ammunition that is the problem

Milo

Bullets don't kill people . . . hell, bullets in guns don't even kill people. Now, bullets leaving guns at brake muzzle velocity? Those will do some damage.

moose

Meh guns are fun.

Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot Night Shoot - YouTube

Hellmuth's Mole

Milo;324077 wroteBullets don't kill people . . . hell, bullets in guns don't even kill people. Now, bullets leaving guns at brake muzzle velocity? Those will do some damage.

And there's the answer. Sales of guns that don't fire are the only ones allowed. The vast majority of law abiding citizens would never know the difference and anyone who comes back raging that their gun is inoperable, gets an immediate psychiatric evaluation.

reibs

This thread makes my head hurt.....

Cus I think I agree with Milo's opinion for once.....:mad:

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