Guns

SuperNed

Thank goodness it was guns and not gasoline fueled fire bombs being thrown at people burning them alive. Wait, let's outlaw gasoline :D

DrTyore

Gasoline serves a purpose.

Mark

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I'll agree with the things Mark wants to point out about the dangerous of guns etc.

But do we understand that making more laws creates and increases violent crimes? The older generations are about to go through a consciousness shift and an identity crisis when they realize this.

If we are worried about guns and violent crimes we should be raising the intelligence level of our society not deciding what new laws to create. I had zero classes in highschool about compassion and non violence. School was purely about stepping on my peers heads to get above them.

There I did it, I opened it, but I'm ready...

STR82ACE

DrTyore;323587 wroteGasoline serves a purpose.

Mark

I would argue that a gun also serves a purpose, and is much safer than gasoline

DrTyore

STR82ACE;323595 wroteI would argue that a gun also serves a purpose, and is much safer than gasoline

You'd argue, but not convince.

Scroll through the past posts. I've said my thoughts on this, though I will admit - some have changed. I now AM in the camp of melt them all down (aside from enforcement and very few select other reasons).

Also, darb, I'm formulating a series of thoughts on your post... give me a bit.

Mark

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DrTyore;323597 wrote I'm formulating a series of thoughts on your post... give me a bit.

Mark

Careful, don't formulate too hard

hahahahaha :confused:

trigs

extremely strict limitations on producing, manufacturing, selling, and owning firearms is the best option. simply banning them all (or melting them) is pointless. after destroying all the guns i guess we'll have to get rid of all the knives, then the brass knuckles, then bats, then wooden boards with nails in them.

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trigs;323600 wroteextremely strict limitations on producing, manufacturing, selling, and owning firearms is the best option.

Again I just want to emphasize that adding rules and limitation will INCREASE violent crime. So instead of think in terms of how strict we should make these laws and what they should encompass, we need to start teaching our children how to live in a freer society.

SuperNed

DrTyore;323597 wroteI now AM in the camp of melt them all down (aside from enforcement and very few select other reasons).

Melt them all down? LOL...yes that will solve the problem. It's not like anyone with a high school equivalent education given a few tools and any sort of accelerant couldn't make a weapon/gun that would blow your head off.

literation

DrTyore;323597 wroteI now AM in the camp of melt them all down (aside from enforcement and very few select other reasons).

That's good else:

"Look out! He's got a board with a nail in it!"

-Kang / Kodos

SuperNed

DrTyore;323587 wroteGasoline serves a purpose.

Mark

Yes it does. Sadly you fail to address that this nut could have just as easily used this very purposeful item, walked up to the bar and threw a huge fire bomb in, burning everyone alive. Then what?

trigs

darbday;323602 wroteAgain I just want to emphasize that adding rules and limitation will INCREASE violent crime. So instead of think in terms of how strict we should make these laws and what they should encompass, we need to start teaching our children how to live in a freer society.

education is probably the best way to better society in general and this can trickle down into lower violent crimes. however, i don't think the correlation is as direct as you are suggesting here.

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trigs;323609 wroteeducation is probably the best way to better society in general and this can trickle down into lower violent crimes. however, i don't think the correlation is as direct as you are suggesting here.

You are mistaken and were lied to, uneducated on the subject and conditioned to see things in terms of what laws will help. We have studies from other countries that show these types of law increase violent crimes, they are facts and stats...I don't have them now but they were posted by the opposition and literally brought into our parliament to combat the new bills on mandatory minimums. I watched the opposition argue with the stats literally in their hands. Your 'not thinking' that there is a correlation is ruling and fueling this government movement to create these damaging laws and it making this country and world a very bad place to live in.

trigs

darbday;323610 wroteYou are mistaken and were lied to, uneducated on the subject and conditioned to see things in terms of what laws will help. We have studies from other countries that show these types of law increase violent crimes, they are facts and stats...I don't have them now but they were posted by the opposition and literally brought into our parliament to combat the new bills on mandatory minimums. I watched the opposition argue with the stats literally in their hands. Your 'not thinking' that there is a correlation is ruling and fueling this government movement to create these damaging laws and it making this country and world a very bad place to live in.

well i guess i'll open my school for nazis and teach my students that white supremacy is awesome. that's learning. that's education. that does not directly lead to less violence and crimes. sorry but just general education has no direct correlation. it obviously depends on what is being taught to the students. this is pretty obvious so i don't quite understand your point.

i will state again, education does not directly correlate with less violence and crimes. the proper education probably does filter down in some capacity but not directly.

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trigs;323613 wrote
i will state again, education does not directly correlate with less violence and crimes. the proper education probably does filter down in some capacity but not directly.

ahh i was mostly suggesting more laws = more violence. But yes correct education will = less violence. But our eduction system the way it is today is largely responsible for the violence, teaching individual competitiveness, rather then holistic compassion.

DrTyore

Still not done with your bit darb, but am interested in seeing some of those stats when you get them.

Superned, do try and keep up. The previous posts in this thread clearly show my differentiation and opposition to guns vs. knives and other multi-purpose items. Though, I guess brass knucks would go in the fire too.

TLDR - knives, gas, rope, and most other things people say "Guess we'll have to get rid of too" are multi-purpose, they prepare food, fix things, act as fuel for our vehicles. Guns kill, that's it.

Mark

trigs

DrTyore;323617 wroteStill not done with your bit darb, but am interested in seeing some of those stats when you get them.

Superned, do try and keep up. The previous posts in this thread clearly show my differentiation and opposition to guns vs. knives and other multi-purpose items. Though, I guess brass knucks would go in the fire too.

TLDR - knives, gas, rope, and most other things people say "Guess we'll have to get rid of too" are multi-purpose, they prepare food, fix things, act as fuel for our vehicles. Guns kill, that's it.

Mark

i guess hunting with guns is off limits. bow and arrows burned as well?

DrTyore

trigs;323620 wrotei guess hunting with guns is off limits. bow and arrows burned as well?

Ya

I'm not a hunting advocate. Again, this is in this thread somewhere. If you want sport shooting (olympic style) - then the shooting range, with its superior security options keeps all the equipment.

Mark

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I've already searched for the docs before and can't find them. Its completely obvious though, you make something illegal and it becomes a staple of organized crime, now its its worth money and people will kill for it. You send more people to jail, that come out worse than they entered. And when focus on fixing our society by changing our laws you miss the obviousness that if you fixed the people you wouldn't need laws. Its the wrong direction.

This is the only thing close I could find but I don't even know what it is..... Mandatory Minimum Sentences - Position Paper - CCJA

I've explained before though that the conservative government never ever denied that mm's don't create more violent crime. When stats were held up to them they ignored them and simply said we want dangerous criminals off the streets and cheered loudly.

DrTyore

darb;

And I say this with as much tact as I can muster. When it comes to most of the things you've mentioned here, hell, when almost anyone mentions anything, I usually want the documentation to back it up. You, in particular, will need to show me something because sometimes I have a tremendous difficulty following your lines of thought.

Mark

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