Guns

800OVER

Milo;371900 wrote"Safe" is a relative term . . .

I am saying that, rather than walking into a 7-11 and flashing a pistol, crooks would turn to other means of intimidation. Knives, or bats, for example. They would also likely go in in groups for greater security, increasing the likelihood that something untoward might happen.

Removing firearms from the equation does nothing to remove CRIME from the equation. Or suicide for that matter.

The ONLY area in which "safety" would improve is in the area of "accidental" shootings. I would be interested to see how many of those there are in this country.

I don't really see how not having guns increases the likelihood of people traveling in groups which would cause more crime. Unless you have some insight...

And I don't see drive by knifings increasing....they certainly wouldn't be as lethal. I agree that criminals will find a way. But certainly guns are more effective....or nobody would be using them.

SuperNed

Guns are so yesterday.
Knives and scissors are all the rage today

Stabbing rampage at office building | The London Free Press

Multiple stabbings reported at high school near Pittsburgh - News - MSN CA

There is really no need to knife tips to be sharp. The only need for them to be pointy is when they are being used as killing machines. Please support the drive to end pointy knives and scissors. A round edge would do just as well to cut food and paper for that matter. Oh the humanity ???

wildbill7145

Might as well ban high heels while we're at it.

Woman guilty of murder for stabbing boyfriend to death with stiletto heel

The_Awesome

Squirrels too.

Milo

How the hell do you make a squirrel on a metal lathe?
This is one weapon that we will never be able to eliminate.

wildbill7145

Milo;372825 wroteHow the hell do you make a squirrel on a metal lathe?
This is one weapon that we will never be able to eliminate.

In her defense, it was a ceramic squirrel and he did go out for beer on xmas eve and come home empty 'cause the store was closed.

The best part of the nbc article is that it ended with:

"The condition of the squirrel was unknown."

800OVER

Guy is charged with 21 counts of aggravated assault. With a gun we'd be charging him with multiple counts of murder.

SuperNed

800OVER;372837 wroteGuy is charged with 21 counts of aggravated assault. With a gun we'd be charging him with multiple counts of murder.

And if he had of been using gasoline and a blow torch we'd be charging him with horrific burns, murder etc. Bottom line, please get behind the movement to round all knife and scissor ends. It will save lives and really limit the use of these killing machines ^-^

Bfillmaff

I think the important thing is that if this guy wanted to use a gun, no law against guns would have stopped him, and taking my guns away certainly wouldn't help either.

Really hate to read about whack jobs like this, glad everyone is going to survive from what I read.

Edit: Dammit, now another one - this one closer to home. http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4456105-video-man-goes-on-stabbing-spree-after-being-fired-at-toronto-office/

Remember the good old days when people gave up on life they just cashed themselves out, instead of fucking it up for everyone else?

SuperNed

Worst mass killing in Calgary's history....with a knife.
Police officer's son charged in city's worst mass murder

With all the mass stabbings in the news in recent weeks I'm hoping all the 'guns are the problem' people understand the problem is much deeper and has nothing to do with the weapon or availability of it. If this guy hadn't have had a knife he'd burned them alive with gas, or made a pipe bomb (yes, on a metal lathe) etc. Ok I'm done now (until the next mass stabbing next week)

DrTyore

SuperNed;373347 wroteWorst mass killing in Calgary's history....with a knife.
Police officer's son charged in city's worst mass murder

With all the mass stabbings in the news in recent weeks I'm hoping all the 'guns are the problem' people understand the problem is much deeper and has nothing to do with the weapon or availability of it. If this guy hadn't have had a knife he'd burned them alive with gas, or made a pipe bomb (yes, on a metal lathe) etc. Ok I'm done now (until the next mass stabbing next week)

Ya... 5 people.

Gun would have made it twice as bad.. FFS

Mark

The_Awesome

Ya those 5 people would have been twice as dead if there were guns involved.

Or if one of those 5 had been packing....

Oh wait just a second. That boy was the son of a Police Officer. So there were properly stored firearms at his house.... how is it possible that guns were not involved then????

DrTyore

Sigh...

Well, discounting the fact that I also admitted I would likely get rid of large "kill em only" knives, which I'm going to assume is what they meant by "Large Knife", yes... guns are still bad. Yes, he still had access to guns, and if he had gone that way it would have been much worse.

Am I saying that guns are the root of these crazy unfortunate attacks? No... but they aren't necessary to our society, and shouldn't be around. Do I think the vast majority of guns are used "properly"? Yes, most people that need to make themselves feel more manly through firearms use them correctly. But when someone does go off their rocker with one, it's bad... really bad.

I really hate that I've managed to make myself the demon of the board because I know that means you guys all can just discount my solid and correct points.

Mark

Big Mike

DrTyore;373355 wroteSigh...

Well, discounting the fact that I also admitted I would likely get rid of large "kill em only" knives, which I'm going to assume is what they meant by "Large Knife", yes... guns are still bad. Yes, he still had access to guns, and if he had gone that way it would have been much worse.

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I really hate that I've managed to make myself the demon of the board because I know that means you guys all can just discount my solid and correct points.

Mark

As a former knife salesman at the fabulous House of Knives in Kitchener's Fairview Mall, I can tell you that I'd rather face almost any knife or sword we sold than a 10" Wusthof Trident chef's knife.

Depending on the range involved, I'd also rather face a gun wielding attacker. A guy with a gun may miss and will eventually run out of bullets. His gun may jam. In a mass killing situation the knife wielder would also be able to strike multiple times before people really realize what is happening.

Re: people discounting your points - maybe you don't actually have as many of those 'correct and solid' as you think? ;)

DrTyore

Big Mike;373366 wrote Re: people discounting your points - maybe you don't actually have as many of those 'correct and solid' as you think? ;)

That's just nonsense :)

Mark

Bfillmaff

DrTyore;373355 wrote Well, discounting the fact that I also admitted I would likely get rid of large "kill em only" knives, which I'm going to assume is what they meant by "Large Knife", yes... guns are still bad. Yes, he still had access to guns, and if he had gone that way it would have been much worse.

In one paragraph please briefly describe how it would be even remotely possible to "get rid" of large knives. Feel free to apply the same logic to guns as well, seeing as they are both just machined pieces of metal.

DrTyore;373355 wrote Yes, most people that need to make themselves feel more manly through firearms use them correctly.

Statements like that just make you look silly. Standing by with dick measurements.

DrTyore;373355 wrote Sigh...

Agreed.

Bfillmaff

DrTyore;373355 wrote I really hate that I've managed to make myself the demon of the board because I know that means you guys all can just discount my solid and correct points.

Nah, we still love you. If you do start making solid and correct points though... might be a different story.

Hellmuth's Mole

I'll save you guys some time with your normal talking points for the needless slaughter.

- Justin Bourque is just some wacko that fell through the cracks of mental health experts

- He could have used a knife, flamethrower or baseball bat to kill those officers.

- This rarely ever happens in Canada but it's going to sometimes, there's just nothing you can do to stop it.

- If more people in Moncton had guns themselves, this nutjob could have been taken down sooner.

- Screw tighter gun control, he could have made his own gun with a metal lathe.

- Criminals don't abide by gun laws. No shit Sherlock but if guns were only in the possession of criminals it kinda makes the police's job a little easier to discern which is which.

Bfillmaff

also worth noting are the 1,960,380 licensed gun owners in Canada that did NOT shoot anyone yesterday.

Very sad though, hate to see anything like this.

Hellmuth's Mole

Bfillmaff;375956 wrotealso worth noting are the 1,960,380 licensed gun owners in Canada that did NOT shoot anyone yesterday.

That's really worth noting? That is the absolute minimum we should expect from gun owners.

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