I was listening closely and only heard a small smattering of booing right at the beginning of the US anthem, certainly not at the level we heard for earlier games vs US opponents. I agree it is not classy like we see ourselves as, but understandable. I think the 51st state comments are way more insulting, even though I know they are not serious and we shouldn't be taking the bait.

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    even though I know they are not serious and we shouldn't be taking the bait.

    This is a good point. I don't think it's serious either - it's one part negotiating tactic and one part getting back at our weak PM for being publicly anti-Trump.

    Worth remembering where the 51st state idea even came from too: Trump informed Justin about the tarriffs at dinner -> Justin says "but that's going to destroy us" -> Trump says "well you guys can become a state then." Which is a lot different than the "annexation" narrative being pushed to rile everybody up (to take focus off of our own govt's failures)

    Good to hear it was only a few bad apples doing the booing. It was a bad look for us!

        I do think you are putting too much blame on Trudeau as well, I am no fan of him either but he didn't start this. Trump is just taking advantage of Trudeau's "lame duck" status. I do not think much of our choices in leadership candidates at all, perhaps Singh is the best of a bad bunch but I could never vote NDP. Way to far "left" for me. However the terms left and right have really lost their meaning over the past decade or two.

        At the moment I have "some" renewed faith in our current provincial leader Ford for his stance on this although I acknowledge he is only doing it to allow himself a chance at another mandate by calling a snap election.

        I still think writing me in as the best candidate for both federal and provincial is our only hope. Never 'mind buck a beer", free beer (and weed) for all! All poker legalized, etc, etc. Don't worry I'll look after all my friends on here... 😉

        I'm pretty sure I'll never live long enough to see the "end" but my grandkids may and THAT concerns me.

          compuease

          That's an interesting perspective... can't say I agree with you there ... but I suppose that's no surprise either.

          I do think you are putting too much blame on Trudeau as well, I am no fan of him either but he didn't start this. Trump is just taking advantage of Trudeau's "lame duck" status.

          I think it's worse than that though. I think he started this thing indirectly, in that he weakened us to the point that these tariffs matter to us. And then I think he had incentive to let this play out. But again: my real problem with him goes well beyond the tariffs themselves. Canadians were struggling before they were announced, and I will not forgive him for selling us out - all for feel good policies that don't even work. (Is "Climate change™" solved, now that everyone is poor?) Fact is, our cost of living has doubled and this is really only the beginning of our pain. Believe the lame duck scenario doesn't apply either - as that all came well after the tariffs threat... and I really believe that anyone other than JT would have been able to navigate this thing with the USA without agitating them into doubling down on us.

          I do not think much of our choices in leadership candidates at all, perhaps Singh is the best of a bad bunch but I could never vote NDP.
          Way to far "left" for me. However the terms left and right have really lost their meaning over the past decade or two.

          This was surprising to read... personally I think Singh is a complete fraud. Absolute scum. But good on you for the hard no on the NDP, so we agree there. As for the party choices... The Liberals are still living off of their reputation as being in the middle... but make no mistake: We actually have two far-left parties, and that's a big part of the problem. There's some criticisms for Pierre too, but he's been consistent and has articulated the problems that need fixed. Best we got.

          At the moment I have "some" renewed faith in our current provincial leader Ford for his stance on this although I acknowledge he is only doing it to allow himself a chance at another mandate by calling a snap election.

          Credit for looking across the aisle, and I really want to agree here... but I don't share that optimism in Ford.... He wears the Conservative badge but he's just another puppet with no principles. I think he sucks.

          I still think writing me in as the best candidate for both federal and provincial is our only hope. Never 'mind buck a beer", free beer (and weed) for all! All poker legalized, etc, etc. Don't worry I'll look after all my friends on here... 😉

          Now THIS is where we have full agreement! COMP 2025

          I'm pretty sure I'll never live long enough to see the "end" but my grandkids may and THAT concerns me.

          With ya... and that's why these discussions are important ... even though talking politics is pretty gross. I think most Canadians have been complacent and that's how we got here.

            Re climate change, do you not believe that climate change is happening or just not believe that we (humans) are having a large effect on it?
            I believe it is real and we have a significant effect, the amount that is a natural cycle and what is caused by us is debatable.

            As for Pierre Poilievre, just something about him I don't like.. I have flipped back and forth from Conservative and Liberal as far as my vote goes over my adult life so many times I don't know whether I'm right or left, lol.. I think we need a couple of new, down to earth fresh leaders that care about the avg Joe (and Jill) but although I think some get into politics with good intentions, most run into entrenched brick walls and succumb to the graft offers. Back to Comp 2025!

            A theme of mine in this thread has been "the left" hiding behind genuine causes, to implement incompetent and/or damaging policies.
            That's my issue with Climate Change™
            Not so much disagreeing with the problem itself - but strongly against the "solutions" to it that are being forced on us.

            No idea what to believe as far as our impact is. If I were a gambling man (😉) I'd bet they are exaggerated... but overall I do believe we should protect our environment. The question is about how much force is justified, and how much damage to the economy we will accept for that. I argue that it should be zero. Find another way.

            Instead,
            These extra taxes, increased prices, and overall pushback against our energy sector... are making people poor.

            I understand one of the goals was to make energy more expensive in order to incentivize alternatives, to help the environment, and that "eventually" (date TBD) prices will come down.

            I argue that even if it were something we could afford to do, it's not working, and I don't trust the people guiding it.
            And we cannot afford it anyway.

            That's how I feel about it... so for now: Drill Baby Drill!

            *Feel free to use as energy platform for
            COMP 25!

            • moose

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            I think the obvious answer is every time Trump mentions the 51st state, we offer to add a province. Personally start with Alaska, Hawaii and Nevada. Why a Canadian politician hasn't suggested this I don't know.

            Also long past time to stop playing anthems at sporting events. But where else can anyone stand up and express their disgust when our own politicians have been milquetoast at best. Where is the indignation? Remember when French President DeGaulle came to Canada and gave a speech mentioning a free Quebec and he promptly got his ass tossed out of the country? Long past time we stood up for ourselves.

            I'll vote for anyone with some semblance of a backbone.

              moose I think the obvious answer is every time Trump mentions the 51st state, we offer to add a province. Personally start with Alaska, Hawaii and Nevada. Why a Canadian politician hasn't suggested this I don't know.

              Early in this thread I suggested we start offering this to different states, Then it was Coordinator suggesting Nevada first.. I kinda like the Hawaii idea, could become our new "Florida". Alaska, we have enough snow, especially the last couple of days.

                moose Remember when DeGaulle came to Canada and gave a speech mentioning a free Quebec and he promptly got his ass tossed out of the country?

                Oddly enough this was just after Pearson had appointed Justins father the minister of Justice, Pierre Elliott Trudeau. His reaction "What would be the French reaction if a Canadian prime minister shouted “Brittany to the Bretons!” After these rebukes, de Gaulle cut short his trip and went home.

                I recall my parents being quite indignant at De Gaulle's faux pas.

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                  Bfillmaff “I don’t think it’s serious”. It’s basically an act of war. Hard to listen to any Canadians defending this bullshit right now and blaming our government. Not sure how you wouldn't take that serious. Do you work in the steel, aluminum, auto industry or no anyone that does? Well if you do you’ll soon be out of work. Ontario is projected to lose 450k jobs because of the tariffs. Tired of all this far right conspiracy theorists and no one calling people out on it. How about all the Canadian trump supporters pay the tarrifs? Sorry I’m Ben by the way lol

                      BenjaminGoodings

                      Hi Ben,

                      "Tarrifs are an act of war"

                      No, it's not an act of war, that's silly. This kind of exaggeration only devalues those words. (Same as "Trump is a nazi" and "Right wingers are racists"... etc)

                      On your point about downplaying seriousness... if you read my post again, "not serious" was in regards to the 51st state idea, not the tariffs themselves. I don't think theres a serious plan to annex Canada.

                      On blaming our government: I'm not blaming our gov't for the tariffs (though someone competent in charge certainly would have helped).. I'm blaming them for destroying Canada so much that the tariffs pale in comparison. Im also suggesging that anyone who wasnt mad at our government for that, but is mad now at the US, is being hypocritical. We all just took a 50% pay cut to inflation, Carbon taxes and high energy bills as icing on the cake, and Trudeau is rolling around laughing that everyone will blame Trump. (Fun Fact... If we did become a state right now we'd literally be the poorest one... thanks Justin.)

                      Ontario is projected to lose 450k jobs because of the tariffs.

                      Damn. Maybe Ontario should become a state! (Or at least stop talking tough... it sounds like they need the US more than the US needs them.) Having left Ontario 5 years ago and watching it get worse every time I visit... I certainly hope they figure it out .. but am not optimistic.

                      Nice to meet you, and I don't take it personally that you call me far right. I've always been towards the center - but I'll stand as far from this current nonsense as I can.

                      .. one last note... I had assumed we were going to let this thread die. its not healthy to obsess over politics.... but I'm off work for a couple more weeks... let's go i guess.

                        its not healthy to obsess over politics....

                        Only 43% of #WeThePeople voted in last Ontario election

                        That is just obscene... It has to be a parody, surely not put out by Trump or with his concurrence can it?

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                          compuease Honestly thought it was a hack or a joke but doesn't seem like it is sadly.

                            DoFo got re-elected so Ontarians should expect more public services being sold out to corporate overlords.
                            The rumour is that DoFo called an early election as to avoid controversy. From potential criminal investigation of Green Belt Scandal.
                            Elections Ontario website indicated slightly more than 5 million out of just over 11 million eligible voters chose to cast a ballot in Thursday’s election...

                            ... #WeThePeople should expect DoFo regime to push the privatization of health care agenda. Along with more deals that screw over the majority of people. While pandering to multinational corporate interests. DoFo has sold out Ontarians a few times already. And likely will break a campaign promise or two.

                            That's what Conservative's(and Republicans) do, under fund public services then let their cronies take the helm when privatized. thelocal.to/7-years-of-doug-ford/ Now that he is re-elected wonder if he can grant himself clemency. Just like Rump did?

                            Literally criminals at the helm of North America. What could go wronger ?

                              Only comment I have about politics..

                              If you didn't vote last night and don't have a good reason for why you didn't. Fuck you, people fought for this country and died to give us our freedoms and you sat on your ass the one time every few years you were asked to contribute to this province or country! 39.7% of the population voted last night, WTF people!

                              I don't care who you vote for but VOTE!!!

                              thisORthat

                              That's what Conservative's(and Republicans) do, under fund public services

                              The family budget’s a mess. The kids (Democrats) beg Mom for candy, toys, and a bouncy castle, and she splurges every time. Dad (Republicans) comes home, sees the credit card bill, and says, “No more sugar highs—time to eat veggies and save.” The kids whine that Dad’s the worst, even though he’s keeping them from going broke.