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    need mental help here..

    I'm not posting a bad beat sob story here. I honestly need some input. How do you mentally try and forget a hand like this? It's like Christmas, you just doubled up almost immediately at the start of a tourney, then a few hands later a fucking idiot has basically handed his stack over to you only to river the miracle card. I was sitting 4 of 105 and then this hand happens, basically erasing the double up. If I am beat in a hand, I am beat, my bad for misplaying it but my God....

    PokerStars Hand #90079209258: Tournament #658011195, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2012/11/30 23:45:20 ET
    Table '658011195 2' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: Bravo-tmb (2350 in chips)
    Seat 2: meeks16 (2810 in chips)
    Seat 4: leotostes (2860 in chips)
    Seat 5: naxopop_md (3000 in chips)
    Seat 6: TheHumungous (6300 in chips)
    Bravo-tmb: posts small blind 15
    meeks16: posts big blind 30
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to TheHumungous
    leotostes: raises 150 to 180
    naxopop_md: folds
    TheHumungous: calls 180
    Bravo-tmb: folds
    meeks16: folds
    *** FLOP ***
    leotostes: bets 330
    TheHumungous: calls 330
    *** TURN ***
    leotostes: bets 810
    TheHumungous: raises 960 to 1770
    leotostes: raises 580 to 2350 and is all-in
    TheHumungous: calls 580
    *** RIVER ***
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    leotostes: shows [Ah Ts] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
    TheHumungous: shows [As Qh] (a pair of Queens)
    leotostes collected 5765 from pot
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    First off, I would 3-bet A-Q in this spot. To isolate the early position raiser, we have a strong hand and even better with position. Re-raise to say 400-500. He probably goes all in after that, and you happiliy call.

    You hit the flop hard with top pair, top kicker and he leads out. In my experience, a donk bet generally means a draw of some kind for villain. Raise his bet. Any size will do,but not too big, dont want to scare him off.

    On the turn, you got your chips in ahead, nothing else you can do.

    However, you played this hand incredibly passive, not once showing any aggression or strength, until the turn, which polarizes your range. Meaning, you either have T-9 for a straight, or you have nothing.

    Playing more aggressively earlier may have won this hand, but against this particular opponent, I doubt he ever folds. He has an Ace !!

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    thanks D, I can always use tips like this to help my game out. I think I should just learn to take a pot while I am ahead and be happy with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddguts View Post
    thanks D, I can always use tips like this to help my game out. I think I should just learn to take a pot while I am ahead and be happy with it
    Well, thats not really my point. You want to give opponents the wrong odds to call but still keep them in the hand.

    Ex. You have Ad-Kd and your opponent has Js-7s

    The flop was As-Jh-3s and after betting there is now 2000 in the pot

    Turn is the 4c - villain has 9 outs, roughly 20% chance of hitting their spade. So you need to give them worse than 5:1 odds. You don't want to bet the pot or over bet it, cause they'll fold, and you want worse hands to call, but with the wrong odds.

    So bet a bet of 700, means, they have to call 700 to win 2700 or worse than 4:1 (assuming you don't pay them off if they hit).

    And guess what, 20% of the time they hit their spade. But you made them overpay to try and hit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djgolfcan View Post

    However, you played this hand incredibly passive, not once showing any aggression or strength, until the turn, which polarizes your range. Meaning, you either have T-9 for a straight, or you have nothing.
    Or TPTK?

    dj your entire post is extremely results oriented -- getting your money in 92% is almost always as good as it can get in poker, you don't want to win the hand earlier, you want to get all the chips in as a 90+% favourite
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddguts View Post
    thanks D, I can always use tips like this to help my game out. I think I should just learn to take a pot while I am ahead and be happy with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTA Poker View Post
    Or TPTK?

    dj your entire post is extremely results oriented -- getting your money in 92% is almost always as good as it can get in poker, you don't want to win the hand earlier, you want to get all the chips in as a 90+% favourite
    please see my later post.

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    I had an awesome day like this today as well...5 sng's in a row...been trying to grind 10-35 buck 9 mans.....all within an hour or so.. AA vs 77, KK vs 1010, Ak vs AJ, Ak vs A5, A10 vs Q10....didn't win one of em...called it a night...fml.
    I am not on tilt, you're just a f*cking idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djgolfcan View Post
    First off, I would 3-bet A-Q in this spot. To isolate the early position raiser, we have a strong hand and even better with position. Re-raise to say 400-500. He probably goes all in after that, and you happiliy call.
    I hope you're not talking about preflop here, because putting in 100BB pre with AQ is really, really spewy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djgolfcan View Post
    Well, thats not really my point. You want to give opponents the wrong odds to call but still keep them in the hand.
    You mean like this?

    PokerStars Hand #90075673556: Tournament #658010965, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (25/50) - 2012/11/30 21:13:36 ET
    Table '658010965 96' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
    Seat 1: nikita55218 (2825 in chips)
    Seat 2: Goaldi (6891 in chips)
    Seat 3: xeiranossa (4550 in chips)
    Seat 4: thekid9771 (6985 in chips)
    Seat 5: andrelopes11 (2235 in chips)
    Seat 6: RiverYerAss (5335 in chips)
    Seat 7: BUSTURNUTS11 (1030 in chips)
    Seat 8: RoberDordt (4579 in chips)
    Seat 9: rodrigobmz (2380 in chips)
    RoberDordt: posts small blind 25
    rodrigobmz: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to RiverYerAss [Ah Ac]
    nikita55218: folds
    Goaldi: folds
    xeiranossa: raises 58 to 108
    thekid9771: calls 108
    andrelopes11: calls 108
    RiverYerAss: raises 1058 to 1166
    BUSTURNUTS11: folds
    RoberDordt: calls 1141
    rodrigobmz: folds
    xeiranossa: folds
    thekid9771: calls 1058
    andrelopes11: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Td 3h Qc]
    RoberDordt: bets 1100
    thekid9771: folds
    RiverYerAss: raises 1400 to 2500
    RoberDordt: raises 913 to 3413 and is all-in
    RiverYerAss: calls 913
    *** TURN *** [Td 3h Qc] [Jh]
    *** RIVER *** [Td 3h Qc Jh] [2h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    RoberDordt: shows [Tc Qs] (two pair, Queens and Tens)
    RiverYerAss: shows [Ah Ac] (a pair of Aces)
    RoberDordt collected 10590 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 10590 | Rake 0
    Board [Td 3h Qc Jh 2h]
    Seat 1: nikita55218 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Goaldi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: xeiranossa folded before Flop
    Seat 4: thekid9771 folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: andrelopes11 folded before Flop
    Seat 6: RiverYerAss showed [Ah Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
    Seat 7: BUSTURNUTS11 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: RoberDordt (small blind) showed [Tc Qs] and won (10590) with two pair, Queens and Tens
    Seat 9: rodrigobmz (big blind) folded before Flop

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    We can't be results oriented.

    IMO, 3bet preflop. We have position and a premium hand. I three bet to 550 here and play from there. If villain 4bet/shoves, it will be read dependent on whether or not we call. Given stack sizes, I likely call here a lot of the time.

    As played, we got to the flop and villain cbets in close a PSB. We have TPTK and villain is likely cbetting their entire preflop raising range on that flop. I raise to 800 with intention of getting the rest of the chips in the middle. There are 14 combinations of hands that we are losing to here and villain can be cbetting hands like AK, AJ, A10, 1010, KQ, KJ, 109, K10 (1010 not as often) a good amount of the time. Raise the flop.

    The turn villain was open ended once they bet they were committed to the rest of the hand. IMO, you raised at least one street to late.

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    meh, never ever 3bet pre here without a major read if you don't hate your chips but that's not what we're talking about in this thread. The mental aspect is obviously super hard, I think the best thing one can do is to lower their expectations. You're probably not gonna beat the varience any time soon and until you can start feeling good about something else than the results of hands I don't think you'll ever beat the mental strain of poker, at least not completely
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    Quote Originally Posted by HammerDad View Post
    We can't be results oriented.

    IMO, 3bet preflop. We have position and a premium hand. I three bet to 550 here and play from there. If villain 4bet/shoves, it will be read dependent on whether or not we call. Given stack sizes, I likely call here a lot of the time.
    Second person itt to suggest calling off 100 bb pre with AQ #wtf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wetts1012 View Post
    Second person itt to suggest calling off 100 bb pre with AQ #wtf

    pfffffff.......only 95 imo
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