How would you play it?

T8urmoneyT8urmoney
in MTT Strategy
This hand had some discussion in another thread........so I'll post it here.

Obv you see how I played it.........other options?

partypoker - $200+$0|250/500 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4


CO: 91.07 BB (VPIP: 17.31, PFR: 11.65, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 106)
BTN: 169.37 BB (VPIP: 29.17, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 25)
SB: 19 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 75.58 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 25)
UTG: 43.83 BB (VPIP: 12.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG+1: 96.34 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP: 21.72 BB (VPIP: 12.00, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
Hero (MP+1): 81.35 BB


8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB


Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has J:spade: J:heart:


fold, UTG+1 raises to 4 BB, fold, Hero calls 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold


Flop: (10.3 BB, 2 players) J:diamond: 4:club: 8:club:
UTG+1 bets 5.15 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, UTG+1 raises to 46.3 BB, Hero raises to 77.25 BB and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 30.95 BB


Turn: (164.8 BB, 2 players) 5:club:


River: (164.8 BB, 2 players) K:club:


UTG+1 shows A:diamond: A:club: (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 80%, Flop 12%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows J:spade: J:heart: (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 20%, Flop 88%, Turn 77%)
UTG+1 wins 164.8 BB

Comments

  • compueasecompuease Admin
    How else would anyone else play it...... other than fold pre..... You got it in ahead, and although you were probably saying no A, no A on both turn and river they blindsided you with the runner runner. We never account for those.
  • Toronto PimpToronto Pimp
    Lets see........ You got your money in good 88% to win the hand. You can't play it any different. Slowing down doesn't make any sense here. Looks like you played it perfectly and just got unlucky.
  • pkrfce9pkrfce9
    I think the question was, should he 3b pre? Should he fold to a 4b?

    And please show your work.
  • MickeyHoldemMickeyHoldem
    Oooooo.... a strategy thread.... [emoji2]

    Damn... i think i covered this! [emoji6]
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    A larger than normal raise, from early position, is very likely a strong hand, in my experience. Since we are so deep, we are now set mining our Jacks, so flatting is optimal. We do not want to flip a coin at this stage as we have a significant skill edge over our competition and at worst we are dominated.

    If we 3-bet and he 4 bets, our hand plays too well post flop to 3 bet fold, so we must just call pre.

    Once we hit our set, the only thing left is figuring out how to get the rest of our chips in the middle.
  • UBetIFoldUBetIFold
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    A larger than normal raise, from early position, is very likely a strong hand, in my experience. Since we are so deep, we are now set mining our Jacks, so flatting is optimal. We do not want to flip a coin at this stage as we have a significant skill edge over our competition and at worst we are dominated.

    If we 3-bet and he 4 bets, our hand plays too well post flop to 3 bet fold, so we must just call pre.

    Once we hit our set, the only thing left is figuring out how to get the rest of our chips in the middle.

    +1. Well said
  • MickeyHoldemMickeyHoldem
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    A larger than normal raise, from early position, is very likely a strong hand, in my experience. Since we are so deep, we are now set mining our Jacks, so flatting is optimal. We do not want to flip a coin at this stage as we have a significant skill edge over our competition and at worst we are dominated.

    As admitted in the other thread.... I only play live cash games now... so my first question would be.... are online tournament players so tight that an EP open raise mean we have to set mine with JJ ?

    I'd shoot myself rairly quickly!
    If we 3-bet and he 4 bets, our hand plays too well post flop to 3 bet fold, so we must just call pre.

    Not sure what you mean by our hand plays too well post flop.... if we 3bet and get 4bet back at.... I'm comfortable folding.... rarely have i seen a 4bet mean anything other than AA or KK.... unless we are at a dreamy LAG table.

    If you're resigned to set mining, most hands play fairly easy post flop, and i don't think your JJ play well on non-set flops given you already think you're behind.
    Once we hit our set, the only thing left is figuring out how to get the rest of our chips in the middle.

    no problem here.
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