you're not as good as you think you are

trigstrigs
in General Poker Chat
there are definitely some people on here that need to read this article (and i'm not just referring to poker skills).

Poker and the Dunning-Kruger Effect: You?re Not as Good as You Think
Apparently, incompetent people don’t realize their incompetence even when they are confronted with competence.
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  • MonoxideMonoxide
    Yeah, its been like that forever. Rarely do people enter into any event, anything they like, sports, job, rec, toys, specialities (even if bad at them) and be like "shit i suck as this" or at the very least will never admit it to anyone but themselves in their mind.

    I just cant fathom most humans sitting down at a poker table and being like "I suck so hard i wonder what ill lose today" even the biggest fish will have ego and be misguidedly confidant or they wouldnt play the game.

    I think most people would prefer to take the easy route and remain ignorant of the correct way to do things, as its much harder to break out of a mold of incompetence. Easier to mentally backflip the wrong actions into your brain believing YOU ARE THE BEST #1.
  • BeefylogsBeefylogs
    I've been told I'm a bad player when I crush someone with my 5 2 off. But then again I've also been told I'm a bad player for check raising people all in when I have aces pre. If you play ABC poker constantly are you really considered a good player? Or just an easy target at the table to play against. Ps that's just my oppinion for cash games
  • MiloMilo
    It isn't so much how others perceive you but how you perceive yourself.

    For example, I like to say that I am well aware of how bad I play, because I know that I do make plays that are sub-optimal. Not always, but I am under few illusions as to my skill level compared to others on this site.

    There are other players on this site who will be quite certain that every move they make at the table is the right one, every strategy flawless, and that is who is being referenced in the link.

    The article is more about self awareness, but that is just my opinion. I am sure I will be corrected shortly.

    Somebody around here once used the tagline about poker and sex being two things that everyone thinks they're good at, but at which few people really know what they're doing.
  • GTA PokerGTA Poker
    Beefylogs wrote: »
    I've been told I'm a bad player when I crush someone with my 5 2 off. But then again I've also been told I'm a bad player for check raising people all in when I have aces pre. If you play ABC poker constantly are you really considered a good player? Or just an easy target at the table to play against. Ps that's just my oppinion for cash games

    I don't think you're getting it
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    Beefylogs wrote: »
    I've been told I'm a bad player when I crush someone with my 5 2 off. But then again I've also been told I'm a bad player for check raising people all in when I have aces pre. If you play ABC poker constantly are you really considered a good player? Or just an easy target at the table to play against. Ps that's just my oppinion for cash games

    I'm interested in the concept of check raising pre.
  • JimmyHoJimmyHo
    I think you need to find a level you are comfortable with. When the stakes are too low, I play crappy poker with no regard for the $$$. If I play too high limits, again I play too tight which is losing poker. In the 2/5 -5/5 range, I'm ok but I don't have the instincts that some players have. Although I seem to survive at these levels.
  • chaimr1924chaimr1924
    JimmyHo wrote: »
    I think you need to find a level you are comfortable with. When the stakes are too low, I play crappy poker with no regard for the $$$. If I play too high limits, again I play too tight which is losing poker. In the 2/5 -5/5 range, I'm ok but I don't have the instincts that some players have. Although I seem to survive at these levels.
    Me too!I agree with you:D
  • MiloMilo
    JimmyHo wrote: »
    I think you need to find a level you are comfortable with. Regardless of the stakes, I play insane poker with no regard for the $$$.

    Fixed it to reflect what Greg tells us.
  • GTA PokerGTA Poker
    Don't quit your day job;)
  • BeefylogsBeefylogs
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    I'm interested in the concept of check raising pre.
    I ment after I call the 2$ blind sorry for the kindergarten lingo I play with children
  • BeefylogsBeefylogs
    Milo wrote: »
    It isn't so much how others perceive you but how you perceive yourself.

    For example, I like to say that I am well aware of how bad I play, because I know that I do make plays that are sub-optimal. Not always, but I am under few illusions as to my skill level compared to others on this site.

    There are other players on this site who will be quite certain that every move they make at the table is the right one, every strategy flawless, and that is who is being referenced in the link.

    The article is more about self awareness, but that is just my opinion. I am sure I will be corrected shortly.

    Somebody around here once used the tagline about poker and sex being two things that everyone thinks they're good at, but at which few people really know what they're doing.

    I agree with what your saying. I use the time driving to the casino to bring myself back down to earth buy trying to guess how much money I'm going to lose I also use it as a kind of mental motivation too because I know I'm not perfect even tho I think I am. The poker and sex line is funny if you always cum first you must be the best right?
  • JimmyHoJimmyHo
    Milo wrote: »
    Fixed it to reflect what Greg tells us.

    Playing $1/$2 tonight with Mr. PF tonight so will see if I can keep it together. Although it will likely be very deep.
  • BlondeFishBlondeFish
    Mr. PF is one of the rare players I know that is actually better than he thinks he is in poker. No more freeroll shots at big money tho.
    JimmyHo wrote: »
    Playing $1/$2 tonight with Mr. PF tonight so will see if I can keep it together.
  • pkrfce9pkrfce9
    But I can never fold aa pf...
  • BlondeFishBlondeFish
    ..
  • BeefylogsBeefylogs
    Can I pose the question as to why you folded to the chip leader besides the fact your playing on stars lol
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    That fold makes zero sense. There are no micro stacks about to go out. Even if this is a satty and only 6 seats are awarded, there is no guarantee that someone else will go out before you.
    That is the worst fold I have ever seen.
  • MiloMilo
    I SUCK at poker, and no NOTHING about strategy or ICM or Nash, but if you are NOT GOING TO JAM in this spot, WHEN?!?
  • BlondeFishBlondeFish
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    That is the worst fold I have ever seen.
    ..
  • AcidJoeAcidJoe
    Posting that hand history with out the info below is horrible.
    BlondeFish wrote: »
    Ooops, did I just get inducted to the pokerjAAh hAAll of fAAme?
    It was a 20-seat satellite with 21 players left. I was closely observing the other tables and there were a bunch of very short stacks, including a couple that could not even cover the ante and were automatically all-in next hand. After watching the other tables fold while in hand-for-hand, it was easy to fold for the next hand and into the money.

    The worst play would have been to get involved with the dominant chipleader and have >= 30% chance of being eliminated in 21st, instead of > 99% chance of folding to the win. As 13th/20 in chips, I got the same $200 prize as this chipleader.
  • BlondeFishBlondeFish
    It was obviously a direct reply to my buddy pkrfce9's light-hearted post about folding AA. He, pokerJAH and I always joke around with each other about folding AA preflop. I even put an emoticon on top of the post.
    AcidJoe wrote: »
    Posting that hand history with out the info below is horrible.
  • chaimr1924chaimr1924
    BlondeFish wrote: »
    ***** Hand History For Game 14210621895 *****
    3000/6000 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (MTT Tournament #112946681) - Sat Nov 8 17:41:38 EST 2014
    Table Table 10995318 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
    Total number of players : 7/9
    Seat 2: ABYBABY (52484)
    Seat 3: 9wizzyizzy9 (141493)
    Seat 5: BlondeFish (31375)
    Seat 6: SergeyMS_ (47328)
    Seat 7: MichaB999 (30844)
    Seat 8: WillFlop75 (59762)
    Seat 9: ajack64 (32487)
    ABYBABY posts ante (600)
    9wizzyizzy9 posts ante (600)
    BlondeFish posts ante (600)
    SergeyMS_ posts ante (600)
    MichaB999 posts ante (600)
    WillFlop75 posts ante (600)
    ajack64 posts ante (600)
    SergeyMS_ posts small blind (3000)
    MichaB999 posts big blind (6000)
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to BlondeFish [ Ac, Ah ]
    :ac :ah
    WillFlop75 folds
    ajack64 folds
    ABYBABY folds
    9wizzyizzy9 raises 12000 to 12000
    BlondeFish folds
    SergeyMS_ folds
    MichaB999 folds
    ** Summary **
    Main Pot: 19200
    ABYBABY balance 51884, lost 600 (folded)
    9wizzyizzy9 balance 154093, bet 12600, collected 25200, net +12600
    BlondeFish balance 30775, lost 600 (folded)
    SergeyMS_ balance 43728, lost 3600 (folded)
    MichaB999 balance 24244, lost 6600 (folded)
    WillFlop75 balance 59162, lost 600 (folded)
    ajack64 balance 31887, lost 600 (folded)
    Nice Fold.A real grinders move.Fish dont/never will make that move for a $200 cash I gamble:DI reread your explanation it was a Genius move.I have to read more poker game theory books
  • DrTyoreDrTyore
    I surely..

    Can't be the only one that immediately thought that blondefish, the king of stats and numbers, clearly was AFK at this point?

    Mark
  • DrTyoreDrTyore
    DrTyore wrote: »
    I surely..

    Can't be the only one that immediately thought that blondefish, the king of stats and numbers, clearly was AFK at this point?

    Mark

    Like...

    Immediately.

    Bad read everyone but me

    Mark
  • BlondeFishBlondeFish
    chaimr1924 wrote: »
    I have to read more poker game theory books
    The ultimate game theory book is
    :
  • pkrfce9pkrfce9
    But I have actually seen Jah fold aa pf in a cash game...
  • Card DeadCard Dead
    chaimr1924 wrote: »
    Nice Fold.A real grinders move.Fish dont/never will make that move for a $200 cash I gamble:DI reread your explanation it was a Genius move.I have to read more poker game theory books

    It was the right move, but I don't think it qualifies as a genius move. I know LOTS of players, including me, who make that same play EVERY time.

    I reserve the genius tagline for moves made by Phil Gordon.:D
  • chaimr1924chaimr1924
    BlondeFish wrote: »
    The ultimate game theory book is The Mathematics of Poker.
    Health warning: TMOP may cause drowsiness or dizziness. Whenever I have insomnia, my best remedy is to read a chapter, or listen to a Bart Hanson strategy podcast. :D
    Are you trying to change my mind so that i will not gain the knowledge to become a consistent winner as you are?:DI am starting off today wit h
    rock paper scissors. Game theory in everyday life.
  • chaimr1924chaimr1924
    Card Dead wrote: »
    It was the right move, but I don't think it qualifies as a genius move. I know LOTS of players, including me, who make that same play EVERY time.

    I reserve the genius tagline for moves made by Phil Gordon.:D
    You are really impressing me^-^
  • BeefylogsBeefylogs
    chaimr1924 wrote: »
    Are you trying to change my mind so that i will not gain the knowledge to become a consistent winner as you are?:DI am starting off today wit h
    rock paper scissors. Game theory in everyday life.

    Fun fact. You can actually take game theory at most universities it's an elective for a mathematics degree, first lesson I shit you not is on Rock Paper Scissors.
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